9 partis et regroupements politiques signent un pacte

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Post by admin » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:52 pm

"What if" Evans Paul, Serge Gilles, Hubert de Ronceray, Paul Denis, Leslie Manigat, Daniel Supplice, Chavannes Jeune, Luc Mésadieu Charles Henri Baker, Evans Lescouflair et Chavannes Jean-Baptiste, regroupés sous la bannière de l'Entente, perdaient malgré tout face à Préval?

L'Entente parcourrait-elle les mêmes sentiers que l'ancienne Convergence? Serait-elle alors connue comme Convergence II?

Et où se trouvent Andy Apaid, son Grenn Nan Bounda, et son contrat social dans tout ça? Combien de temps patienterait-il avec l'Entente avant de faire surface à nouveau en tant que YLGNBA (Yon Lòt Grenn Nan Bounda Ankò)?

Combien de temps encore... avant qu'Haiti renaisse de ses cendres?

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:14 pm

Mwen k'we ke se yon bel bagay ki fet la.
Se yon bel pa an avan nan politik Ayisiyen'n.
Tout mesiye sa yo biyen ke yo tout kalifiye pou president d'Ayiti.
Yo sakrifiye tet yo e mete anbisiyon yo pa deye pou peyi yo avanse.

Yo di ke si youn' nan mesiye sa yo pase nan premie tou'r eleksiyon an.
Tout lot yo ap supote e apuye li nan deziem tou'r la.
Se yon bel sign de naturite, solidarite e de sages's ke nou fet pou'n admet e aplodi.
Fok nou ta pran sa kon leson. o liye ke Lavalas solidifiye yo, yo prefere kraze paty a an ti moso.
Si Aristide ta tounin lap gen anpil travay poul fe pou remete pati'l la ansamb anko.

Kom Ti Loulou toujou di:
L'Union Fait La Force!!

Leonel JB

Post by Leonel JB » Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:09 am

Michel, I agree with you. We really need that " tEt ansanm ". I always believed that there is Hope! Perhaps, I want to believe.
Now, going back to Guy's comments. Apaid was campaigning for Baker. I don't think that he will object to anything. But, I also wonder if None of them wins if they would keep that same attitude toward Peace and Union?
Michou, I believe that you refered to me as Tiloulou. Well, my nickname in nEnel. Ti Loulou is mostly from Lesly,Loubert etc. But,leonel, maybe leo. Anyway, I like it!
L'union est la Force,
leonel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:35 am

[quote]...Tout mesiye sa yo biyen ke yo tout kalifiye pou president d'Ayiti. <U>Yo sakrifiye tet yo e mete anbisiyon yo pa deye pou peyi yo avanse...</U>[/quote]
Ala de saltenbank papa!!! M pa wè okenn sakrifis non ki fèt la pou peyi a avanse. Si gen yon moun ki wè sakrifis, tanpri ede m wè l tou.

gelin

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:57 am

Leonel wrote:[quote]I also wonder if None of them wins if they would keep that same attitude toward Peace and Union?[/quote] We hope so Leonel. Their credibility is being tested! And if none of them wins, we expect them to line up at the National Palace to congratulate the winners, wishing them good luck and offering their services to the nation.
Until they meet again!!

But Guy and others are less optimistic, and expect that the losers will cry fault, and will start giving a hard time to the winners. And as Guy said it's more likely to have a Convergence II or/and GNB II.

Let's hope not because Haitian politicians are maturing, and have learned their lessons. They know that for the sake of Haiti, it's about time to break this vicious cycle that is dragging us deeper and deeper into misery.
Gelin wrote:[quote]Ala de saltenbank papa!!! M pa wè okenn sakrifis non ki
fèt la pou peyi a avanse. Si gen yon moun ki wè sakrifis, tanpri ede m wè l tou.[/quote]
Pou nou rete nan kontex sije a, mwen antan'd pa'r sakrifis youn moun ou biyen youn group ki sede place li bay youn lot paske yo kouwe ke lot la osi kalifiye ke yo, e gen plis chance reyisi ke yo fas a adverse a, e reyisit la ap benefisiye yo e peyi d'Aiyiti tout antiye.
Politik chen manje chen ke yo rele "Rale ko w pou mwen antre", vin'n tounin yon politik d'amitiye ke yo rele: "mwen rale ko mwen e ouvri pot pou w rantre". Sa se bel bagay kap fe blan respekte nou.

Par egsanp an 1990-1991, Titid pat kandida, ni pat gen intansiyon vin president d'Aiyiti, min mesiye OPL ak lot pati yo we ke nansirkonstans ke yo fe fas ak lot advese yo, lita preferab ke yo forme, poli, e supote TiTid a la prezidans. The rest is history.

Malerezman nou fin'n pa we ke la rekonesans se yon lach'te.

Mwen pa mize sou peson!!

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:41 pm

[quote]
Gelin wrote:[quote]Ala de saltenbank papa!!! M pa wè okenn sakrifis non ki fèt la pou peyi a avanse. Si gen yon moun ki wè sakrifis, tanpri ede m wè l tou.[/quote]
Pou nou rete nan kontex sije a, mwen antan'd pa'r sakrifis youn moun ou biyen youn group ki sede place li bay youn lot paske yo kouwe ke lot la osi kalifiye ke yo, e gen plis chance reyisi ke yo fas a adverse a, e reyisit la ap benefisiye yo e peyi d'Aiyiti tout antiye.[/quote]
Nan ka sa a pagen okenn sakrifis ki fèt. Pèsonn pa sede okenn plas bay pèsonn. Sèl sa k pase se yon pwomès ak yon deklarasyon ki fèt sou papye sèlman, e se pa premye fwa sa ap fèt nan peyi dayiti. Poko gen okenn sakrifis ki fèt.

[quote]Politik chen manje chen ke yo rele "Rale ko w pou mwen antre", vin'n tounin yon politik d'amitiye ke yo rele: "mwen rale ko mwen e ouvri pot pou w rantre". Sa se bel bagay kap fe blan r
espekte nou.[/quote]
Sa se rèv

gelin

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:55 pm

Gelin wrote:[quote]Nan ka sa a pagen okenn sakrifis ki fèt. Pèsonn pa sede okenn plas bay pèsonn. Sèl sa k pase se yon pwomès ak yon deklarasyon ki fèt sou papye sèlman, e se pa premye fwa sa ap fèt nan peyi dayiti. Poko gen okenn sakrifis ki fèt. [/quote] Gelin, sakrifis la fet le jou ke mesiye sa yo pran desisiyon istorik sa pou yo ini yo pou ke yo tout patisipe nan eleksyion an e ke sak ki rive an tet nan premiye tou'r la, yap aksepte viktwa li e sipote li nan deziyen tou'r la san rouspete.

Sa se youn bel sign de solidarite nan l'istwa politik contanporen'n peyi d'Ayiti.
Li sou papiye pou ke tout moun sa we. Si yo pa respekte li, ront pou yo.
Se pa pawol nan bouch mete la, se yon dokiman istorik ke li ye.

Memm si a la veni'r, oken'n la dan yo pa reisi vin'n prezidan jan yo te espere a, min premiye gwo koken'n chen roch fondasiyon istorik sa pose e rete nan almanak istwa peyi d'Ayiti.

An pil m
oun fe silans e rete bebe sou zafe eleksiyon sa paske yo di ke:
Eleksiyon an pa konstitisiyonel. (paske se pa yo kap organize'l).
Anpil Lavalasiyen deténi an Ayiti e lot nan prizon nan Miami.
Fok yo ta lage.
Yo di ke fok Aristide tounin vin fe kelke grenjou ki rete'l yo.
Mwen pa kwen ke lap gen tan pou sa.
Fok li paticipe kom voter. (pa kom kandida, paske tou pa li fini kom prezidan). Mwen dako ak sa tou, min mwen kwen ke li pap gen tan.

Youn lot bagay ke mwen pa dako se ke jou 7 Fevriye a nan konstitisiyon nou e te fet pou rete kom jou pasasiyon pouvwa nan peyi d'Ayiti. Mesiye yo chanje'l pou 29 Mars, se sam tande an atandan ke yo chanje'l anko.
Min kom Ayisiyen se pep ki supertisiye yo decide chanje dat la paske dat sa se deven'n, madichon, pichon, esoteric e malefik.
Paske depui plis ke 10 ane se bak ke peyi a ap fe. Ki donk yo chwazi yon lot dat pou we si yap gen plis chans. Se youn pep ki kwe nan bolette.

Lespwa dan l'entente fe vivr'e.=)

An nou gade
e priye pou'n we sa eleksiyon sa ap pote pou pep la.

Michel

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Post by Michel Nau_ » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:20 pm

Jaf ekri : [quote]Dezyèm tou: Avadra X: 60%, Preval: 46%[/quote]
Wap pase eleksiyon nan rizib !! Pa gen pan'n nan sa nou tout se fre nou ye.
Avadra yo pap bezwen 60% jan w di a, youn pousantaj de 54% selman ap sifi pou yo pran pouvwa nan dezyem tou'r la.

Entente sa kom w we Jaf, se youn strateji politik kap fose Preval poul fe jefo pase o premiye tou'r.
Si se pa sa Entente koalisiyon(X,Y,Z etc..) ap kole zepol e mete ansamb kont Preval e kandida unik yo a ap pran pouwa par teknikalite e san pwoblem.
Afe Liberia, mwen konnin ke se youn fem ki pase kom presidan sou youn ansiyen jwe futbol. Charles Taylor pap tounin anko. A pa sa mwen pa konnin anyen. An nou konsantre nou an Ayiti pito.

An nou veye e priye pou biyen net pep la.

Lespwa dan LEntente fe nou kanpe !!

Michel

DPean

Post by DPean » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:34 am

Lisez le sur lavalas .org:
http://forumlavalas.forumactif.com/view ... =2574#2574


La classe politique traditionnelle se regroupe autour de Baker, pour barrer
la route au secteur populaire. Ces nostalgiques n'arrivent pas à digérer
cette massification sociale qui a changé le paysage politique Haitien.

Pour avoir pendant 200 ans joué à l'élitisme et à l'exclusion d'une
catégorie sociale, ils se trouvent aujourd'hui dépassés par l'émergence
citoyenne du secteur populaire (une voix, un vote) à partir de la date
historique du 16 decembre 90 . Une fois de plus, ce secteur populaire est
entrain de donner une leçon démoratique à cette oligarchie qui a toujours
privilégié les coups d'Etat à la voie des urnes .

29 Novembre 1987! Date macabre de notre histoire de peuple, qui rappelle le
massacre de la ruelle vaillant... Et Ils récidivent : Manigat, Deronceray,
etc . Suivez mes re
gards.

Le triangle Préval Bazin Simeus se doit de s'asseoir autour de "la table"
pour dégager une stratégie unitaire en vue de donner une réponse
démocratique aux éternels fossoyeurs de la patrie. C'est un impératif de la
conjoncture car nous sommes condamnés à recoudre le tissus social Haitien.
Si le groupe des 184 a pu convaincre ces assoiffées de pouvoir de faire
front commun avec Baker Pourquoi une famille, la famille lavalassienne,
malgré ses divergences ne parvient elle pas à tenir le discours de l'unité
et porter PREVAL & BAZIN à s'unir. En le faisant, ils rendraient service à
Simeus qui hésite jusqu'ici à choisir l'un ou l'autre candidat. Les
affinités de ce dernier se penchent vers Lavalas en tant que parti populaire
non vers Preval et Bazin à titre individuel.

Attention René Garcia Preval, une autre victoire des GNBs est entrain de
poindre à l'horizon car les sondages ont prouvé que votre popularité ne
dépasse pas de beaucoup ce
lle de Baker. Maintenant que ce dernier reçoit
l'appui des partis les plus populaires, vos chances de gagner s'amincissent
et tendent vers zero. . En cas de défaite, Vous n'auriez pas aimé avoir
toute une kyrielle de mecontents à vos trousses n'est-ce pas; Alors! Faites
vos jeux. "NAP TOUNEN SOU DO PYE'W"

Au nom des victimes de la démocratie ,lavalassiens, lavalassiennes,
resserrons les rangs ! Unissons nous !

Aux élites économiques éclairées et progressistes, à la Diaspora Haitienne,
motrice de notre économie anémiée, à la classe moyenne consciente,
responsable et éprise de justice sociale, aux jeunes entrepreneurs
dynamiques, nous disons: faisons, sinon un mariage d'amour , du moins un
mariage de raison avec le secteur populaire, pour qu'ensemble nous puissions
créer une Haiti politiquement moderne, économiquement forte et socialement
juste.


Lina Domingo
Haiti
Donnons une leçon democratique
par la voie des urnes, pour un reto
ur de tous les exiles et
la liberation des prisonniers politiques

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:21 am

[quote]...Gelin, sakrifis la fet le jou ke mesiye sa yo pran desisiyon istorik sa pou yo ini yo pou ke yo tout patisipe nan eleksyion an e ke sak ki rive an tet nan premiye tou'r la, yap aksepte viktwa li e sipote li nan deziyen tou'r la san rouspete.[/quote]
Sa pa rele sakrifis. Si yon kandida di ke l ap dakò ak rezilta yon eleksyon, sa a se yon atitid nòmal li ye. Pa gen okenn sakrifis ki fèt la a.

Lè Bush I te pèdi devan Clinton, èske se sakrifis li te fè lè l te bay palè a? Lè Al Gore te pèdi devan Bush II, èske se sakrifis li te fè kwake te gen siskisyon? Tou dènyèman la a, John Kerry pèdi devan Bush II ankò. Li mare pakèt li tounen lakay li. Eske ou ka pale de sakrifis? Non.

Kounye a la a, si ou di m ke antan ke panzouis yo ka konsidere sa yo di a (se pa sa yo fè non, paske yo poko fè anyen) tankou yon gwo jefò, la a (relatively speaking) jefò panzouis yo merite konsiderasyon. Kanta pou
aplodi yo, oubyen rele sa yon gwo sakrifis, yo pa merite sa.

[quote]...Youn lot bagay ke mwen pa dako se ke jou 7 Fevriye a nan konstitisiyon nou e te fet pou rete kom jou pasasiyon pouvwa nan peyi d'Ayiti. Mesiye yo chanje'l pou 29 Mars, se sam tande an atandan ke yo chanje'l anko...[/quote]
Si yo vle, yo ka menm mete l pou 29 jiyè (fèt makout) paske yo fè sa yo vle, yo pa gen pou reponn bay okenn moun, e konstitisyon peyi a pa gen valè pa rapò a sa y ap fè yo. Depi yo te envite malere abandone lalwa sosyete a pou al antre anndan raje a ak yo, sa k pi fèb la se li k pase...

[quote]Min kom Ayisiyen se pep ki supertisiye yo decide chanje dat la paske dat sa se deven'n, madichon, pichon, esoteric e malefik.[/quote]
Blag.......paske se pa pèp ayisyen an ki chanje dat la. Eske yo te mande l si l dakò....?

gelin

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:01 pm

Gelin ekri:[quote]Tou dènyèman la a, John Kerry pèdi devan Bush II ankò. Li mare pakèt li tounen lakay li. Eske ou ka pale de sakrifis? Non.[/quote]
Gelin, John Kerry (demokrat) e Bush II (republikin) soti nan 2 pati politik diferan. Pa gen sakrifis ki fet la.
Sakrifis la fet a lechel patisan'n.
Pa egsanp, paty demokrat la te genyen youn band neg kankou Arl Sharpton, Edward Dean, John Edward, John Kerry etc..
Apre sufraj pep la e konsultasyon avek dwayen paty e lot gwo sotobre yo konkou les Kennedy, Clinton, Carter, e lot gwo democrat nan Capitol Hill, mesiye yo decide voye John Kerry kom kandida pou li al frappe kon'n avek Bush.

Si nou rete deba an Ayiti, genyen youn seri de leader politik ki pap jamb bay yo lot manb pati, a biyen ke kalifie, fe you kout presidan to.
Par egsanp Manigat, Deronceray, e memm Aristid ap toujou vle represante pati a.
Pou'm bay tet mwen rezon gade nan ki lobo ke pati
Lavalas la ye kounyen la.
Pouvwa se youn bagay ki tre tre dous e amer e malefik an memm tan.
Dous, paske genyen youn jouisans pesônèl la dan'n.
Malefik paske li kap fe youn moun pedi tet li e touye fre'l ak se'l.

Gelin ekri: [quote]jefò panzouis yo merite konsiderasyon. [/quote]
Gelin, Panzou kom mwen te di deja sou forum nan se youn atak supris ke youn fe adverse a pou rekupere youn bagay ki te pou w deja.
Le mwen te sou lakou lekol kay fre, le Jumau Delienne kamarad lekol mwen kenbe balon volleyball la nan min li tro lontan, se youn pouzou ke nou fout misye pou'm sa pran balon an nan min li, paske li pap jamb volonterman remet balon an ki apartiyen a tout ti moun ki sou lakou a.
Kidonk, panzou pa forseman youn move bagay pou fe.
Gelin ekri: [quote]Blag.......paske se pa pèp ayisyen an ki chanje dat la. Eske yo te mande l si l dakò....?[/quote]
Gelin, se pa tout bagay ke youn lide'r ap fe pou'l nan mande pep la si'l dako.
Vo
te nan youn eleksiyon pa memm jan ak youn match futbol ki mande a lavans anpil preparasiyon fizik e mantal.
Sa pap fe pep la mi cho ni fret't si yo chanje dat la ou biyen si yo dako paske yap toujou pare kelkeswa jou a pou yo jete biltin vot yo.

Fok nou komanse fe edikasiyon pep la pou nou di yo ke :
Kanpe sou tet kamiyon rele an mwe, danse madigra, fe skandal nan la ri pa vle di ke kandida yo a ap vin'n presidan pousa.
Se a'l vote, al jete biltin vot la.
Ti bout papiye sa se li ki konte.
Se li'k verite a.
Pa lot anko.
Paske se ti bout papiye sa ke jig local e internasiyonal yo ap observe e konte pou konnin si youn kandida pase kom prezidan ou pa.

An nou mete tet ansamb pou nou fe edikasiyon pep la sou zafe eleksiyon !!

Michel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:10 am

[quote]...Min kom Ayisiyen se pep ki supertisiye yo decide chanje dat la</B> paske dat sa se deven'n, madichon, pichon, esoteric e malefik...[/quote]
Lè pawòl dwategoch sa a tonbe, m te reponn ke se pa pèp la ki deside chanje dat la. Ni plis ni mwens. Ou retounen sou kesyon an ankò:
[quote]Gelin, se pa tout bagay ke youn lide'r ap fe pou'l nan mande pep la si'l dako....Sa pap fe pep la mi cho ni fret't si yo chanje dat...</B>[/quote]
Nou preske di menm bagay wi la a. Anvan ou te kouri bri ke se pèp la ki chanje dat la paske yo sipèstisye. Men kounye a ou aksepete ke se pa pèp la vre ki chanje dat la. Anben, diskisyon an fini wi. Pa bay pèp ayisyen pote konsekans desizyon ke yo pa pran, ke moun pran sou dou yo ak nan non yo san yo pa gen manda ak otorizasyon fè sa. Yo rele sa abi.

[quote]...panzou pa forseman youn move bagay pou fe.[/quote]
Panz
ou toujou bon pou panzouis, e se paske l bon pou yo ki fè yo renmen fè l konsa. Panzou pa janm bon pou moun ki pèdi a. Tout est relatif, dit-on.

[quote]Fok nou komanse fe edikasiyon pep la pou nou di yo ke : Kanpe sou tet kamiyon rele an mwe, danse madigra, fe skandal nan la ri pa vle di ke kandida yo a ap vin'n presidan pousa. Se a'l vote, al jete biltin vot la. Ti bout papiye sa se li ki konte. Se li'k verite a...[/quote]
Vrèman? e kijan pou yo fè konnen si rezilta desizyon yo pran an ap ka rete? Ou wè, se pa edikasyon pèp la non ki merite fèt. Se panzouis yo ki merite edike pou yo ka apran respekte rezilta yon eleksyon - si se yon bagay ki posib. Mantalite panzouis sa a la lontan nan peyi a, se pa jodi l komanse.

gelin

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:26 pm

Gelin ekri: [quote]Vrèman? e kijan pou yo fè konnen si rezilta desizyon yo pran an ap ka rete? Ou wè, se pa edikasyon pèp la non ki merite fèt.[/quote]
Pep la vote e pran desisiyon pou'l chwazi prezidan li vle.
Min zafe pou'l rete a sa pa depan de pep la selman.

Sa depan de si prezidan ki eli demokratikman jan w di a gen youn konporteman demokratik.
Mwen si ke w pra'l mandem'm sa mwen antan'n pa konporteman demokratik. This is a judgement call ! You make the call !

Si konporteman pa demokratik, yap (W kon'n ki yes ki YAP yo) oblije fe youn “Regime Change”. Mo sa yo tre a la mode se jour si.
Mwen ta remin ke nou tout abituye avek mo majik sa Regime Change”.
Kon blan di Regime Change li pa vle di retire ou biyen jete prezidan ou biyen govenman ki an plas la min tout paty a net a la rond bade. Youn destruksiyon total kapital.

S
i tu ne viens pas à La Gardere, La Gardere ira à toi !!

Vin'n dodo nan piye papa'w.

La pli aveti pa touye kokobe.

Michel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:56 pm

Esle Michle pote kanson l pou bèl twal...?

[quote]...Si konporteman pa demokratik, yap (W kon'n ki yes ki YAP yo) oblije fe youn “Regime Change”. Mo sa yo tre a la mode se jour si. Mwen ta remin ke nou tout abituye avek mo majik sa Regime Change”. Kon blan di Regime Change li pa vle di retire ou biyen jete prezidan ou biyen govenman ki an plas la min tout paty a net a la rond bade. Youn destruksiyon total kapital...[/quote]

Yon kesyon: di m 4 prezidan ki te eli demokratikman nan peyi yo nan 20 an k sot pase la a, men ke YO</B> te vin retire sou pouvwa akoz de konpòtman ki pat demokratik. Li ka difisil pou ou jwenn repons la men m ka tann ou al fouye dokiman w vle. Kite m fè l piklè pou ou: ban 4 ekzanp "regime change" ki te fèt pou sove demokrasi.

gelin

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Post by admin » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:34 pm

Gelin, ou egzijan tout bon. Pou tèt pa m, mwen ta renmen konnen youn sèlman.

Ayiti?

Panama?

Grenad?

Irak?

Bon, repons lan depann de eta zonbifikasyon yon moun kote li va kwè ke se demokrasi meriken tap chache sove vre nan ka sa yo.

Leonel JB

Post by Leonel JB » Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:10 pm

Mwen jis vle rete sou on inyorans kEk moun sou on sijE.
Mezanmi, PEp la ka pa al lekol. Men, sa pa vle di ke li pa edike pou sa. Lekol enstwi w, li pa nesesEman edike w.
Byen ke Gelin pas sou sa, ban m re di l. Elit la ki koz peyi a ap mache devan dEyE a. Ki prefere viv nan malprOprete, tan pou peyi a avanse. Ki ti krik ti krak, ap bay Panzou. Se Edike yo edike pousa?
BLAN an di, REGIME CHANGE, kidonk obeyi, se Blan ki pale. Depi BLan an di W mouri, ou mouri. Ki dwa w pou ap pale toujou?
OU fE mwen vini nan peyi w
Ou vinn montre m monte sobwe
Wa remEt mwen pye kokoye m
Wale lakay mwen w bwE kleren
W ale lakay mwen ou bwE tafia m... by M. Charlemagne

Yes Massa!
leonel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:57 am

[quote]Gelin, ou egzijan tout bon. Pou tèt pa m, mwen ta renmen konnen youn sèlman...[/quote]
N ap chita dousman tann michelnau (= michel nau ?) vin ak repons la - si posib.

gelin

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:02 am

Apre plis ke yon semenn pwatann pou jwenn repons premye kesyon m nan, m panse li ta bon pou m ajoute yon lòt sou li ankò. Konsa, lè repons la vini - si l jann vini - m a jwenn 2 repons olye de youn, m a fè dekabès nan lekòl la.

Men lòt kesyon an:

Ban mwen ekzanp 4 rejim ki genyen nan kontinan an, 4 sèlman.

Mèsi davans.

gelin

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Post by admin » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:00 pm

Te m pran chans reponn: rejim bannann poban, rejim fig bannann, rejim Manigat suiv la, rejim Gwo Jera merite suiv la.

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Post by Michel Nau_ » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:14 pm

Gelin ekri:[quote]Ban mwen ekzanp 4 rejim ki genyen nan kontinan an, 4 sèlman. [/quote] Guy ekri : [quote]Gelin, ou egzijan tout bon. Pou tèt pa m, mwen ta renmen konnen youn sèlman.[/quote] Guy ekri:[quote]Te m pran chans reponn: rejim bannann poban, rejim fig bannann, rejim Manigat suiv la, rejim Gwo Jera merite suiv la.[/quote]

Guy kon'n se sezon fet. W komanse avek 4 kanpe, 5 etwal, kremas etc... bonè papa!!
Gelin se pa 4 REGIME CHANGE selman ke mwen kap bay w e ki fet nan kontinan! Se tout kotinan net al kole ki chanje.
Si w gade biyen wap we chanj'man yo kle devan w. Kontinan chanje net fre'm.
Haiti- The Duvaliers ( Papa Doc, and Baby Doc, dictatorship) where are they now? Gone!
Haiti- (Aristide and the Lavalas Populist Party) where are they now? Gone!
Nicaragua- (The Somoza family and strong military backups) where are they now? Gone.
Nicaragua- (
The Ortega Brothers and the Populist Sandinistas) where are they? Gone!
Guatemala, El Salvador, Panama. Regime Change no more military dictatorship, no more populist dictatorship in the Caribbean and Latin America.
Exsepte (Venezuela e Cuba ki se youn ka spesiyal). Se youn desisiyon stratejik ke govenman amerikin ap jwe avek yo tou otan ke yo pa vin'n simin la tere'r e yo pa vin'n youn danger pou sekirite nasiyonal pep amerikin an general.

Pou nou rete nan kontex REGIME CHANGE e suje deba ki se : 9 pati politik fome youn koalisiyon tet ansam pou yo al nan eleksiyon.

Sa se youn chang'man pozitif a lechel politik nan peyi d'Aiyiti.
Pa gen milite nan peyi d'Aiyiti anko, sa se youn lot chang'man pozitif anko.
Libete a la pawol san babouket nan bouch se youn lot chang'man pozitif (Avek excepsiyon biyen entandi).

nLa Diaspora ki vle change vi ekonomik, politik e sosiyal peyi d'Ayiti. Sa se youn lot gran chanjman anko.
Okipasiyon internasiyonal (tout peyi) o liye de youn sel (U.S) kom'm sa te fet nan tan lontan. Sa se youn gwo chanj'man anko.
Pou'm fini, avek teknoloji e youn Diaspora Ayisiyen'n kap monte an flech,Nouvel Generasiyon Haitienne (NGH) ki la deja e kap vini deye a, mantalite yo change.Yo genyen youn vizion global e pragmatik de sa ke yo ta remin we pou peyi dAyiti.

Yo pa telman interese nan ti listwa ansiyin de Bouki ak Malice, neg vanyan e esklav ki te libere peyi yo pou yo sa motive.
Yo pa interese nan Haiti Cheri, Haiti la Perle des Antilles, Haiti to the Haitians, black is beautiful etc.. and all those B.S., nationalistic, patriotic and ethnic visions that we elders are promoting on this forum. Do they care? May be?

They see Regime Change. Elections every 5 years!
!
They see national and international through nation building, institutional infracstructures, coalitions and corporations, limited partnerships, and not sweatshops and exploitation of their brothers and sisters by some of us who want to make a “quick bucks” and unexpected, tiptoe out.

They see national and international finances (Banks, Insurances, healthcare, retirement homes etc.) and not bank bolette, bric a brac, bay ponya, e pyramid scams.

They see negotiations, consensus, coalitions, power sharing, regime change, rule of law, and not political assassinations, intimidation, one party rule etc.
Nouvel generasiyon ayisiyen'n pa sou estime influyans ke organizasiyon international yo jwe sou avenir peyi d'Ayiti. Ayiti pa pou kont li nan batay la. Gen pliziye fos pozitif e negatif nan koze a tou. Ayiti se youn « asset » ke li we pou yo e pou nou tout. Nou e yo tout mize so
u Ayiti, e nou pa soti pou nou pedi.

Chanj'man yo ap fet sou nou la e devan je nou. An pil nan nou we'l, an pil nan nou fe sanblan ke yo pa we'l e an pil nan nou ta vle ke se yo pou fe'l.

Ke nou vle ou ke nou pa vle, Chanj'man se youn efo'r global ke li ye.

The whole world is watching, and interfering when necessary, and they don't necessarily need permission or a search warrant!

Michel

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Post by Hyppolite » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:35 pm

Michel retounen an katimini, and I never even noticed that!! Even more interesting, he wrote down the scenario that the opposition is hoping for.

I think the suggestion given by this "Linda" person posted here is very important and also quite potent. Bazin should just give up, as he looks more like a Haitian version of Shimon Peres since he seems incapable of winning an election. The unknown factor remains Simeus as she points it out, who has been able to get 25 percent of the electorate's confidence according to the latest poll.

Regardless, I am virtually certain that Preval will win the first round, which will displease Michel very much. Unfortunately Michel, that's what you call democracy: one man, one vote.

Good luck

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:53 pm

Hyppolite wrote:[quote]Michel retounen an katimini, and I never even noticed that!![/quote] I was away due to work assignment and also personal reasons.
Hyppolite wrote:[quote] Bazin should just give up, as he looks more like a Haitian version of Shimon Peres since he seems incapable of winning an election[/quote].
Hyppolite, Bazin is not a journeyman fighter in the political ring, and he can't throw the towel himself, only his corner could do it, and they are not ready for this action yet.
He has no choice but stands up and fights until the end.
Remember that it's not over until it's over!
Hyppolite wrote:[quote]The unknown factor remains Simeus as she points it out, who has been able to get 25 percent of the electorate's confidence according to the latest poll. [/quote]
Simeus has been and still remains an enigma, a smoke screen to distract us from what is
important to the Haitian people.
Is he officially running? Is he in the ballot?
Why so much noise about a disqualified candidate?
If not the presidency, what is next for Simeus?
Hyppolite wrote:[quote]Regardless, I am virtually certain that Preval will win the first round, which will displease Michel very much. Unfortunately Michel, that's what you call democracy: one man, one vote.[/quote] Hyppolite, politics is not a popularity contest. Otherwise, Sweet Mickey would be President.

I would not be displeased if Preval becomes the next president because he is part of the solution not part of the problem. He took the presidency test, and passed with a C+.

This time if it happens again, that will be deja vue and an “encore” for him, so therefore we expect him to do better this time.

What could be a big disappointment for the international Community, the elite and GNB coalition is if Preval passes the first round.We could be back to square one again as Guy
and a lot of you anticipated, a GNB II..

Then we could draw this conclusion that this whole phenomenon Boniface/Latortue, thousand of people dead, an economy and a society in shamble, billion of dollars spent and a foreign occupation forces at home could have been avoided if after Aristide has been forced out, Preval, Neptune and the rest of the Party members had shown some leadership, and called for the continuation of the Lavalas government, and a return to a quasi-constitutional order, some kind of a Lavalas government without Aristide, until February 2006.

Unfortunately, that didn't concretize.
One good reason to have a will ready in case one gets sick, and needs someone in charge to take critical decision for the rest of the family.
So let's stop right there and move on to the future. Yes the future.

The big question is if Preval becomes the next president of Haiti, would he be able to govern without bowing under the Lavalas Party's demands such
as the return of Aristide, the release of Neptune, Father Jean Juste, Ann Auguste, party members return from exile, etc?
Then you could expect some criticism from the coalition and the rest.
Is he going to be between a hammer and a hard rock?
Should we pull him out because he is too much of a good thing?
Is he a victim of his own success?

I believe that the international community and the elite are willing to take that chance. Preval knows how to swim amongst sharks, and he will make it to the dry land without a scratch.
“Naje pou'm soti”, that's his motto.

Michel

Leonel JB

Post by Leonel JB » Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:28 pm

WE papa, ou tounen nan degonn nou!
Mwen ta renmen ou eksplike nou ki sa Politic ye?
Paske ou di ke politik pa yon popilarite konteks...
Mwen ta renmen mete w devan ankO pou m wE mach ou.
Ou may moulen kO aprE de twa kout zepon, pou w tounen ak on lOT kozman. Map swiv ou vye frE.
Epi mwen ta renmen w di nou ki jan ou bay moun grade? LE w di Preval te gen on C+.
Mwen si e sEten Dyol Bouch gen A+ pou in fwa nan vi li. Nan lekol Michel la, si on moun te kreten ou fE A san pwoblEm.
Welcome to Michel Nau University. Banm on ti kou pa korespondans, mon frE, ou lage mwen.
leonel

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Post by Michel Nau_ » Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:38 pm

Serge ekri : [quote]Pou mwen fini, lide kowalisyon an pa gen anyen move ladan. Pwoblèm lan, pou kowalisyon sa yo mache, se pou yon gen baz; se pou lidè yo gen kredibilite; se pou yo gen konviksyon nan lide yo; se pou kapab demontre otantisite yo; se pou yo kapab gen entegrite. mwen pa wè youn nan kalite sa yo na kowalisyon sa.[/quote] At least, Serge you agreed with me that « Coalition » in general is not a bad thing! However, your concern is; does this coalition have credibility, convincing ideas, authenticity, and integrity??
If we call it the way they presented it as “Entente pour la Democratie et la Modernite”, we don't have to judge them and make them accountable for those strong characteristics (credibility, integrity, authenticity etc.) that you mentioned above.
To the public, and the Haitian people in general yes they have to show those strong characteristics of leadership, and I agree with you, but amongst
them no necessarily. It depends! Because an “Entente” is not a union, nor a marriage.
An entente is more like a “plasaj, youn nesesite tanpore'r e pou la sikonstans” an unofficial deal that is not regulated by “by laws”.
Any one of those parties could walk away at anytime without penalty.
Serge ekri :[quote]Kididonk, Leonel, sa fè 2 kesyon wi pou Michel repon: premye kesyon ou te mande li sou sa li te di sou pèp karayib yo[/quote] Serge, sou zafe moun karayib yo, mwen voye eskis'mwen bay tout moun ki santi ke yo mouye sou pozisiyon ke mwen te pran sou koze sila.
Se akoz de experiyans personnel ke mwen fe avek 2 e 3 scholar karayibeyen ki panse ke Ayiti pran indepandans li tro bonè.
Some of them think that after 200 years of independence, Haiti doesn't have anything tangible to show as an accomplishment and as a role model to the rest of the Caribbean nations-- that we are still at a “raw stage”, and we could have been in a better position if we have waited a little bit
longer under colonization.
Kidonk tout band mesiye sa yo konpran ke yo kap vin'n fe nou la leson.
I don't want to open a tin can of worms again, so let's leave it as is.
Leonel ekri: [quote]Epi mwen ta renmen w di nou ki jan ou bay moun grade? LE w di Preval te gen on C+.[/quote]
Preval was not -perfect, but according to Haitian standard, he was a good president. He followed the syllabus of the international community and did his homework. He had a perfect attendance 5/5 years. He is the type of students that they are willing to give a good letter of recommendation at anytime. The last Gallop poll result about the presidential candidates was not a coincidence.

Michel

Leonel JB

Post by Leonel JB » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:22 am

Serge, mwen pwal pi lwen ankO. Michel fE vye statement rasis sa, paske de twa moun nan karayib la ke li rankontre.
Ou kwE Michel konprann sal ekri yo. Ou jeneralize daprE de twa moun ou rankontre. Se reyelman on konpOtman rasis. Li ta pi bon, pou w pran tout ka endividielman, mon frE.
Epi, nan eskiz pa gen, But. Depi gen But, se pa on vrE eskiz.
AnkO en fwa, mwen pa etone.
SI on moun pa wE non w ki se Michel Nau, ya panse ke se yon Grand knight of the KKK ki tap pale.
Mwen rankontre self-hatred sa nan yon pakET "Pseudo-klas-mwayEnn". C'est vraiment ecoeurant!
Now, mwen fon ti kout volan sou gifrants. Mwen renmen on pakEt nan sa pati w la vle pou Ayiti. Men, keksyon m pou ou, kijan de sistEm wap aplike, Kapitalis ou Sosyalis?
Nan senkyEman an, ou deklare ke ou pap pran chantay nan men klas dominan an.
FOw fE atansyon, lE ke klas dominan nan tout peyi se yo ki bay travay. Mwen ta renmen konnen tou, kijan de chantay wap
pale?
Men anpil chay pa lou,
leonel

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Post by Gelin_ » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:03 am

Byenke michelnau (oubyen michel nau) pat reponn kesyon yo twòbyen, gen yon fopa li fè la a ki merite atansyon:

[quote]...Kon blan di Regime Change li pa vle di retire ou biyen jete prezidan ou biyen govenman ki an plas la min tout paty a net a la rond bade. <U>Youn destruksiyon total kapital</U>.[/quote]

vs.

[quote]...Then we could draw this conclusion that this whole phenomenon Boniface/Latortue, thousand of people dead, an economy and a society in shamble, billion of dollars spent and a foreign occupation forces at home could have been avoided if after Aristide has been forced out, <U>Preval, Neptune and the rest of the Party members had shown some leadership, and called for the continuation of the Lavalas government, and a return to a quasi-constitutional order, some kind of a Lavalas government without Aristide, until February 2006</U>.[/quote]

Petèt ke michel pa wè klè
nan sa lap di yo, petèt li kwè ke tout sa l di bon. Antouka, si "regime change" vle di destriksyon total kapital yon pati alanronbadè, anben li pa posib pou manm pati a montre "leadership" pandan ke blan an (daprè sa michel deklare) ap detwi pati a total kapital alaronbadèèrrrr.

Se kòmsi - toujou dapre michelnau - yon gason ap fè kadejak sou yon fanm, epi li vle pou fanm nan ranje kòl tankou pa gen anyen mal kap pase. Sanble michelnau pa konprann bagay yo twòbyen...


gelin

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Post by Michel Nau_ » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:18 pm

Serge wrote:[quote]you would not have any problem that a Chamblain, for example, or a Frank Romain, or a Michel François to form a "coalition" alongside a Manigat, a Victor Benoit or any other politician, as long as you think that the concept of "coalition" is a good one for Haiti?[/quote]
My answer to this question is: It depends !
Any party has the right to form a coalition with other parties. They can form a coalition with the devil, with god, or they could go solo if they want too.
Base on the “Entente pour la Democratie et la Modernite, every party is welcome.
The political plain field should be leveled for every one of them, regardless of their affiliations.
Entente pour la démocratie et la modernité is a new way of doing politics in Haiti.
The Diaspora, rebel group, former military, macoute,elite, paysan, students, professionals, GNBs, chimeres,religious groups etc;
have the right to organize, form coalitions and to participate in the political process in their country.

To go back to your question Serge, if Manigat or anybody else thinks that forming a coalition (openly or secretly) with Chamblain, Frank Romain, Michel Francois, or the devil to access to the presidency, that is their prerogative and we can't stop them.
Forming a coalition with the military or the devil may be the easiest way to reach the presidency, and Manigat and others have been there before.
They know what it takes to tango (an every close and personal dance) with the devil.

Le diyab la kenbe be w biyen sere nan bwa li e lap bay w "filin'n", w pakap rale ko w e kouri fasil konsa se rete la pran afe w.

This is a high price to pay, and if they want to do it, then fine.

Is it immorally wrong?? Yes!!

Gelin ekri:[quote]Petèt ke michel pa wè klè nan sa lap di yo, petèt li kwè ke tout sa l di bon. Antouka, si "regime change" vle di destriksyon total
kapital yon pati alanronbadè, anben li pa posib pou manm pati a montre "leadership" pandan ke blan an (daprè sa michel deklare) ap detwi pati a total kapital alaronbadèèrrrr.[/quote]
Gelin si w souiv lod kronolojik even'man yo e benchmark ke mwen te poze yo, w ap we ke mwen te konnanse avek youn kondisiyonalite. Mwen te di IF.

Kidonk « if » sa pat jam fet, yo rate okasiyon sa, se sak fet ke pati a ala debandad konsa.
Pati a san le detwouyi prop tet li.
Memm nimero 2 pati a ap rale ko li e deside fe prop koalisiyon pa li.
Sa montre w ke peti a peti, destriksiyon total capital sa konanse deja e nan sin pati a e propaganda demoniak kap fet deyo.
Sel Aristide, si li tounin, e si li interese nan politik toujou, kap remete pati sa sou piye.

E pou'm fini Serge, tout moun konin ke mwen pa youn neg ki rasis e kote ke mwen soti pa pemet mwen rasis memm si mwen ta vle.
Viye taktik klas sosiyal e nwarist sa granpapa, ak papa w te itilize'l deja
kont granpapa e papa nou.
Bouyi vide, propo rasis sa pap pase anko nan peyi d'Ayiti.

Si youn pa dako ak dwa moun pou fome koalosiyon, e dwa yo pou yo kole ko yo ak moun ke yo vle, sa se problem pa w.

Pa vin'n kreye deziniyon e destriksiyon.
Se pote limiye e preche l'union pou pep la.

Michel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:20 pm

[quote]...<U>Pati a san le detwouyi prop tet li.</U>[/quote]
Manti. Ou te deja di ke "regime change" la pote destriksyon pati yo landann tou - yon destriksyon total alaronnbadè. Kidonk, si pati a ap detwi kounye a (kòm rezilta regime change la kap pran jarèt), ou paka lage sa sou do pati a ankò, kòmsi se yo menm ki detwi pwòp tèt yo. Si "A" kraze "B", yon moun kap gade paka kouri bri ke se "B" ki kraze pwòp tèt pa l - toujou dapre analiz ou bay la. Si le chat mange la souris, donc la souris est mangée par le chat et n'a par conséquent pas commis un acte de suicide....:-)

Sa fè m sonje 2 bagay ki te pase:

An 91, apre koudeta a, moun ke te pran pouvwa yo te mande pou premye minis la (preval) vin prezante tèt li devan paleman an, pou yo ka kontinye ak gouvènman an, paske se prezidan an sèlman ki pat bon. Preval te nan kache....li pat ka vini...kidonk yo ranplase l paske li pat ka prezante l nan pò
s li...:-(

Dezyèm istwa a se nan yon diskou ke Edner Day (ansyen prefè potoprens sou Duvalier) tap fè sou gran ri. Msye ki ke li tande gen anpil moun kap kouri bri ke gouvènman fè bagay ki mal. Li kontinye: "si gen yon moun la a ke gouvènman an te janm fè mal oubyen abi, se pou l vin di nou la a kisa nou te fè l ki mal..."

[m sonje yon chante loups noirs: rat tap fè yon batèm, li di fòl fè bal....♪ ki mizisyen li pran ♪ se mizisyen chat ♪♪... lè l te fè minwi yo fèmen tout pòt yo manje tout rat.....]

Michel, ou paka roule kò w 2 bò sou kesyon an. Ou kontredi pwòp tèt pa w nan analiz "regime change" la.

gelin

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:23 pm

Gelin ekri: [quote]An 91, apre koudeta a, moun ke te pran pouvwa yo te mande pou premye minis la (preval) vin prezante tèt li devan paleman an, pou yo ka kontinye ak gouvènman an, paske se prezidan an sèlman ki pat bon. Preval te nan kache....li pat ka vini...kidonk yo ranplase l paske li pat ka prezante l nan pòs li...:-([/quote]

An Fevriye 2004, Yvon Neptune te la nan pale nasiyonal, e li pat nan kache. E youn lot neg soti jis Boca Raton, Florida, USA vinin premie minis peyi d'Ayiti devan je misiye e devan je tout moun.E se pat milite ki te mete'l!!

Se la anko ke pati Lavalas sa fe fayit akoz de youn karans de leadership. Mwen kouwe ke nou tout kle sou koze sila.
Anpil ere'r fet e fok nou gen kouraj e honet' te pou nou rekonet sa. Les zom ap viv'n dan l'erer e pa gen mal nan sa paske "Lerreur est du domaine de l'homme!!

Kidonk Gelin, si nou mete even'man yo nan lod kronolojik destin peyi d'Ayiti te repoze nan min anpil moun,e nap kap we ke style kou deta yo pase de mank de leadership youn prezidan a kou deta milite a mouv'man popule, klas sosiyal upring, e presiyón internasiyonal.
Le premiye invasion an te fet kont Papa Doc Duvalier, se kouraj, konviksiyon e leadership ki fe ke misiye pat kraze rak.And since then, he has learned his lesson.

Regime change nan chanje taktik e visaj. Li pase de kou deta milite, tombe nan dezobeyisans sivil avek sipo e finans internasiyonal.

Gelin, an nou kite ansiyen politisiyen rat ak milite misisiyen chat de kote, e an nou voye ko nou nan 21iniyen'n siyek la avek tan modern ke nap evoluiye kouniyen la, and Look at the BIG picture and tell me what do you see !!

Let me give you a hint: Things haven't changed my friend!!
And we still don't get it!!

Michel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:19 am

[quote]...Gelin, an nou kite ansiyen politisiyen rat ak milite misisiyen chat de kote, e an nou voye ko nou nan 21iniyen'n siyek la avek tan modern ke nap evoluiye kouniyen la, and Look at the BIG picture and tell me what do you see !!

Let me give you a hint: Things haven't changed my friend!!
And we still don't get it!!Michel[/quote]
When I look at the big picture, I see many things, many unpleasant things. I see many ferocious wolves in sheep's clothing. I see many people who refuse to accept the truth as truth, but prefer to take a convenient lie in its place. I see many who want to take hen's dropping as butter because they benefit from it somehow. I know things have not changed, and will never change by themselves because that's simply impossible.

gelin

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Post by admin » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:45 am

[quote]take hen's dropping as butter[/quote]
Thank you for that haitianism, Gelin.

Kaka je pa linèt. Nou pap pran kaka chat pou bè. Ni kaka poul non plis.

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Post by Michel Nau_ » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:59 pm

Marcien ekri: [quote]Ki kouraj, konviksyon e ki lidèship w ap pale?[/quote] Marcien an nou rete nan term politik, paske se politik ki youn siyans ke nap diskite la!

Youn moun pa bezouwen Mother Teresa, ni Jean Paul II pou montre lideship.

Machiavelli, Richelieu, Julius Caesar, Alexander the great, Annibal, Atila, Mandela, Castro, Duvalier, Aristide.etc there were all leaders !

A leader is someone who has the power to influence a group of followers regardless if his vision or ideology is good or evil.

Si nou rete nan kontex politik, nou kap di ke neg ki nan suje a te youn lide'r.

Siyans politik se pa youn siyans humanite'r ke li ye kote ke sansib pa jwe. Fok w kap gen kouraj pou di bagay yo jan ke yo ye nan tout pozisiyon, e nan tout angle pou moun sa tire prop konklisiyon pa yo.
Marcien ekri :[quote]Franswa Divalye te malen, li pa te genyen k
ouray.[/quote] Nan politik, sa w di a pa fe sans, paske 2 bagay sa yo parfwa mache ansamb.

Youn neg ki malen se youn neg ki observe febles enemi li (gwo ou piti) e atake li par supriz.
E pou pran desisiyon pou atake, fok w gen kouraj. Lion ou biyen tig ki la tere'r dan la jungle parfwa atake par suprise kelkeswa enemi ya gwo ou piti.

Michael Jordan pa bez'wen konnin si lap jwe avek gwo ekip kankou L.A. Lakers ou biyen po bannan'n kankou L.A. Clippers,ou biyen po mango kankou N.J. Nets, lap vide basket sou yo san rete.

Ki donk nan youn moman difisil e malouk kote ke vi pep la, e aveni pep nan min w fok youn moun malen e gen kouray pou san ezitasiyon pran youn desisiyon egzak pou fe ke sitiasiyon vin'm sou kontrol w.

Marcien kom w gen intansiyon angaje w nan politik, kite'm ba w youn ti konsey gratis.
Si w ezite, w pa malen, ou biyen w pa gen kouraj pou pran desisiyon kritik (critical decisions) , pasaj w nan listwa ap gen anpil deba sou li.

Kenbe la
fre'm

Michel

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Post by Michel Nau_ » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:14 pm

Marcien ekri : [quote]Si yon moun ka di Marcien Toussaint, se yon nonm malen li ye, m ap twouve sa yon ensilt, e m ap mande moun sa fè wen èkskiz.[/quote]
Si youn moun di w ke w se w malen se plis youn konpliman ke sa ye ke youn ensilt. Being a malen in politik, means being a “street smart”. Being naturally gifted and have the ability to get yourself an your people out of a bad situation. For example, a mongoose which is a small animal may have the upper hand over a cobra, a deadly predator.

Marcien ekri: [quote]Desizyon kritik ke w mansyone an politik la toutokan ke se yon desizyon ki pran pou benefisye byennèt yon pèp ak yon peyi, fèmte sa pa tradwi pa "malen ou malis", li tradwi pa klèvwayans politik, kouray, patryotis, vizyon.[/quote]
Marcien, klevwayans politik, kouray, patryotis, vizyon, tout bel bagay sa yo Aristide te gen tout. Min sa li pat genyen, li pat malen nan politik.

r
Aristide pat dwe kanpe sou tet kay an publik pou di ke mesiye International yo ap toupizi Ayiti youn bagay ke tout moun konnin deja e ap di tou ba. Ale sou tab la e negosiye!!!

Se arogans nou e mank de disiplin'n, e mank de respe ki mete nou nan sa nou ye la.

Marcien ekri :[quote]mas pèp Ayisyen an ke nou tou lede konnen trèbyen se yon mas pèp Nwa li ye k ap pase mizè, k ap lite jan li kapab pou soti nan mera sa ke li ye a e se opinyon sa yo ki alabaz aksyon yon seri de aktè ki sou sènn politik Ayisyen an ki vle kenbe pèp nou an nan eta lamantab sa ke y ap viv la.[/quote]
Se sak fe ke moun pap jam pran nou o seriye. Nou pa jam blame tet nou. Nou pa jam fe mea koulpa es mea koulpa nou. Nap mache di ke nou se youn ti pep nwa inosan ke le mond blan ap toupizi.

Band ipokrit!! Sispand pale o non de pep la!! o liye ke nou chita ap manje poul ak kodin'n bouwe divin di bel koze nan salon, retounin an Ayiti al batay kot a kot ak pep la!!!
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Le bank mondiyal e lot gwo peyi yo fe ti peyi pov yo kado lajan ke yo te prete, non Ayiti pat sou list la a loske Ayiti se youn nan peyi ki pli pov nan hemisphere la.

Le nou rele bank mondiyal pou nou mande yo pouki sa Ayiti pa sou list kado lajan a, yo repond ke Ayiti toujou peye intere yo san grate tet e Ayiti gen mwayen e kapasite pou soti nan mera ke li ye la.

Pozisiyon geografik, e pase istorik peyi d'Ayiti fe ke tout peyi nan zon'n nan respekte nou e toujou pare pou ede nou.

Se nove gouvernans, koripsiyon, injistis, e mank de respe pou byen pep la ke dirijan yo itilize kankou ke se biyen papa yo mouri pouyo.

Ayiti se pa sel ti peyi nwa e pov ki genyen dan le mond !

Kidonk di ke se blan yo kap toupizi youn pep nwa e ki vle kenbe pep nou an nan youn eta lamantab sa ke y ap viv la se youn gwo manti santi ke politisiyen malonet ap di e ke pep la pa k'we anko.

Lage viye kouwi la charite a ate e gad
e tet nou nan glas's e di : Mwen k'we ke avek la grace de Dieu, mwen gen kouraj pou ‘m naje pou'm soti nan mera ke nou we la.

Al vote e chwazi lide konpetan, onet e malen ki konnin ki jan pou yo boule avek blan yo e system globalizasiyon sa kap avanse sou nou!!

Kou deta retire iniform milite KK jako a sou li. Se globalizasiyon ki pran desisiyon kou niye la e nou pakap konbat li, paske li invisib, li vini sou tout fom e tout koule, blan, nwa, latino etc..!!

Vote se sel solisiyon ke nou genyen e nou genyen pou nou fe'l chak 5 an!!!

Michel

Michel Nau_

Post by Michel Nau_ » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:39 am

Marcien ekri: [quote]Se dwa w e privilèj w. Ak yon kwayans parèy, pèp Ayisyen fenk kòmanse nan di si yon jou w ka va fè pati de yon Gouvènman nan peyi Dayiti. [/quote]
Mande youn pep pou li egzese dwa sivil e politik li dan lod, la disiplin'n e le respe de chak sitwayen kelkeswa apartenans klas sosiyal e ekonomik yo, se pa mande anpil.

Mande youn gouvernman pouli mete de kote pou youn moman, poul sa konsantre'l nan dirige e gouverne tout youn pep san parti pri, se pa mande anpil.

Marcien ekri : [quote]An nou tou jis swete ke jou sa se pa jou tou kote m a va genyen pou fè m fas a dèstine politik mwen.[/quote] Marcien destine politik w ap pase tre biyen dan l'istwa d'Ayiti e relasiyon mondial SI :
W mete peyi w a lavan de tout zafe, koule, e klas sosiyal.
W mete nan tet w ke wap prezidan de tout youn pep e pa sel'man youn klas sosiyal.
W gen youn vis
ion de youn system de developman ki possib e ki gen youn kontinuite pou lot goverman kap vin'n deye yo.
Si youn santi ke w a lez'(feel comfortable under your skin regardless if you have to face MBeki or Bush) kelkeswa moun ki devan w.
Karier politik w ap pase a lez, e mwen souwete ke map la pou'm sipote w.

Michel

Gelin_

Post by Gelin_ » Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:13 am

Petèt se ka yon dènye mouvman nan kesyon sa a: Kisa yo rele yon rejim? Nenpòt kimoun ka reponn....

gelin

Leonel JB

Post by Leonel JB » Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:22 am

DaprE mwen menm, on rejim se yon gouvEnman kap enplimante Polisi. Savle di, se on gwoup de moun byen detEmine ki gen on plan pou yon Oganizasyon byen detEmine. Map kite kOnn nan pou on moun ki pi save.
Men, mwen pa p kite san m pa touche on ti bagay sou bouyon tchaka ke Michel te lage atE sou nou la.
Misye te vle pale de malen. Mwen pa kwE ke malen vle di sa ou dekri a. Malen vle di on moun ki gen riz. Sa pa vle di ke on moun ki malen entElijan pou sa.
Epi, ou bay ekzanp de MJ nan baskEtbOl. Adje! Mwen pa kwE ke sa vle di malen.
Michel pou 2006 sa, pwomEt nou ke wap rete sou on sijE byen detEmine. Pa voye pie w a dwat a goch. Ou fEm toudi, paske ou pale de on pakEt pawol ki trE difisil poum konprann sometimes.
Mwen pa vle konprann pou w konfonn Diplomasi ak Malen nan politik. Paske mwen kwE yo konplEtman diferan. PetEt, mwen kapab wrong?
Antouka, nap tounen sou kekesyon General Gelin an: Kisa on rejim ye?
Map sib...
2006
sa, mwen panse Ayiti ap chanje pou de bon...
Sa se prediksyon m, e mwen pa vle Michel volE prediksyon m (just kidding)
HNY (happy new year)
leonel

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