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NORIEGA ACCUSE ARISTIDE DE TERRORISME!

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Washington accuse formellement Aristide et ses acolytes dans les violences en Haiti et exprime officiellement ses préoccupations à Prétoria

Posté le vendredi 24 juin 2005
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Le responsable adjoint pour les affaires hémisphériques au départment d'Etat américain, Roger Noriega, a formellement accusé vendredi l'ex-président Jean Bertrand Aristide d'être le principal instigateur des violences ayant cours actuellement en Haiti, notamment dans la capitale, Port-au-Prince.

Dans une interview accordée au Miami Herald, le diplomate accuse Aristide d'instruire personnellement et directement ("from his voice") ses partisans et indirectement par le biais de certains de ses acolytes qui communiquent avec lui en Afrique du Sud. De ce fait, poursuit Roger Noriega, les Etats-Unis ont contacté qui de droit en A
frique du Sud afin d'exprimer leurs préoccupations quant au fait que le comportement d'Aristide n'aide point à l'amélioration de la situation en Haiti.

Un porte-parole du gouvernement sud-africain a refusé de commenter les propos du diplomate américain, selon le Miami Herald qui estime que c'est pour la première fois que l'administration Bush attaque aussi directement Aristide en ce qui concerne l'origine des violences en Haiti. Auparavant, rappelle le journal, Washington avait plutôt l'habitude de cibler Fanmi lavalas, le parti du président déchu.

De l'avis de Roger Noriega, poursuit le journal, quelques centaines seulement de bandits commettent les actes de violence. Même si des organisations criminelles sont impliquées de manière opportuniste dans les enlèvements et les actes de banditisme en général, il est incontestable que Aristide et ses gangs jouent un rôle central dans la situation de violence qui prévaut en Haiti, ajoute-t-il, appelant la Mission des Nations Unies pour la Stabilisation
en Haiti (MINUSTAH) à être beaucoup plus active sur le terrain pour faire échec à la subversion. Selon lui, le succès ou l'échec de la MINUSTAH dépendra de ce qu'elle fera dans les prochains jours ou dans les prochaines semaines.

A la question de savoir si le trafic illicite de la drogue est en nette recrudescence en Haiti, le diplomate a répondu n'être pas en mesure d'abonder en sens, cependant il estime indéniable le fait que les trafiquants de drogue essaient de conforter leur position en Haiti.

Ces déclarations d'un diplomate de haut rang des Etats-Unis surviennent au lendemain de la décision du chef du gouverenement de transition d'inclure en son sein un représentant du gouvernement lavalas déchu. Elles coincident également avec des informations circulant dans les cercles politiques à Port-au-Prince selon lesquelles, des acolytes de Jean Bertrand Aristide revenus d'une récente visite à ce dernier à Prétoria ont ramené des messages audio-vidéo du chef de lavalas qui ont été transmis aux mil
itants et membres de gangs opérant sur le terrain.


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Aristide est derrière les violences qui frappent Port-au-Prince (officiel américain)

L'assistant secrétaire d'Etat américain pour les Amériques Roger Noriega accuse formellement l'ancien Président Aristide d'être le responsable des violences qui affectent le pays particulièrement la capitale.

Dans une interview accordée au Miami Herald, l'Ambassadeur Roger Noriega se dit convaincu que les gangs qui opèrent dans le pays reçoivent des instructions directement de Jean Bertrand Aristide par téléphone et indirectement par ses accolytes qui sont en contact avec lui depuis l'Afrique du Sud. L'Ambassadeur Noriega qui se présente comme un observateur de longue date des questions haitiennes affirme qu'Aristide et son camp sont à la base de la plupart des actes de violences. L'officie
l precise qu'une centaine de bandits exercent ces violences qui marquent le pays.

Dans cette interview au Miami Herald, l'assistant secrétaire d'Etat américain Roger Noriega qui était de passage récemment en Haiti annonce que l'Administration Bush a fait part de ses préoccupations à l'Afrique du Sud à propos du rôle que joue Jean Bertrand Aristide dans ces violences.

L'ambassadeur Noriega fait remarquer qu'il existe d'autres gangs qui sont impliqués dans des cas de kidnapping et autres crimes mais il soutient que l'ex-President Aristide et ses gangs jouent un rôle clé dans la violence et cherchent à maintenir l'insécurité. Dans le même temps, l'assistant secrétaire d'Etat américain pour l'Hémisphere demande instamment à la MINUSTHA de se montrer plus pro-active dans la lutte contre les chefs de gangs lavalas. Pour M. Noriega, ces gangs ne sont pas nombreux et sont basés dans les zones de l'aéroport et des quartiers commerciaux ce qui leur permet de causer des dommages à l'économie haitienne.


L'assistant secrétaire d'Etat américain pour les Amériques déclare plus loin que l'ancien président utilise la violence politique depuis une quinzaine d'années. Roger Noriega pense que M. Aristide cherche à terroriser le peuple haitien et l'empécher d'avoir à sa tête un bon gouvernement.

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Aristide accused of fostering violence

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Aristide accused of fostering violence

A U.S. diplomat accused former Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide of stirring up violence in his home country, the boldest accusation of Aristide since his ouster early last year.

BY PABLO BACHELET
pbachelet@herald.com

WASHINGTON - A top U.S. diplomat Thursday accused former Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide of personally stirring the violence there and said Washington has expressed its concerns to South Africa, where he is living in exile.

'' We believe that his people are receiving instructions directly from his voice and indirectly through his acolytes that communicate with him personally in South Africa,'' said Roger Noriega, assistant secre
tary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs.

''As a longtime observer of Haiti and a longtime consumer of information about Haiti, it is abundantly clear to me . . . that Aristide and his camp are singularly responsible for most of the violence and for the concerted nature of the violence,'' Noriega told The Herald.

STRONG WORDS

His statement was the strongest so far blaming Aristide for the violence that has rocked the country since his ouster early last year amid an armed uprising. In the past, Washington has blamed the violence more generally on Aristide's Lavalas Family Party.

The violence, which has increased significantly since September, is threatening to affect the Oct. 9 local elections and Nov. 13 legislative and presidential elections. Hundreds are estimated to have died in clashes involving armed gangs of Aristide supporters and foes and U.N. peacekeepers.

''A few hundred principal bad guys'' are behind the violence, Noriega said in a telephone intervie
w.

He made a quick visit to Haiti two weeks ago for a close-up look at the political and security situation.

Asked if the U.S. government had expressed its concerns to South African officials, Noriega said, ``We have had the diplomatic contacts that you would expect us to have with the key actors, explaining that Aristide's role is not a helpful one.''

A South African government spokesman in Pretoria declined to comment.

Noriega also urged the U.N. peacekeeping force, known as MINUSTAH, to take a more ''proactive role'' in going after the armed pro-Aristide gangs. He said the gangs were not many in numbers but were strategically based in slums near the airport road and commercial districts, allowing them to damage the Haitian economy.

A CENTRAL ROLE

He said there also were some ''opportunistic criminal organizations'' that engaged in kidnappings and other crimes, but that it was ``also extraordinarily apparent that Aristide and his gangs are playing a centr
al role in generating violence, and trying to sow insecurity.''

Noriega said Aristide had a 15-year ''pattern'' of using political violence and that it was not surprising that he was making ``this one last stand to terrorize the Haitian people and deny them good government.''

On Wednesday, the U.N. Security Council voted to send 1,000 more security forces to bolster the 8,300-strong force already there.

The Brazilian-led peacekeeping force has been widely criticized for doing too little to disarm criminal gangs.

He praised the U.N. decision but added that the success or failure of MINUSTAH ``depends on what they do in the next days and weeks.''

Asked if there was a resurgence in drug trafficking through Haiti because of lack of security, Noriega said, ''I don't know that we can say that it's gotten appreciably worse'' but that there was a sense that drug traffickers were trying to set a stronger foothold in Haiti.


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Post by admin » Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:39 pm

Qui est l'accusateur de Jean-Bertrand Aristide?

A-t-il parlé en son nom ou au nom du gouvernment des Etats-Unis? A-t-il parlé pour son chef, Condoleezza Rice? A-t-il parlé pour son président, George W. Bush? En règles diplomatiques, cela ne devrait pas laisser de doutes. Ou il a été authorisé à faire de telles accusations et est prêt à exhiber les évidences qui s'exigent ou il n'a pas reçu de telle authorisation et devrait dès maintenant penser à offrir ses excuses et sa démission. Dans le premier cas, ce serait une façon peu orthodoxe des administrateurs américains de procéder. Dans le second cas, il aurait sans doute misé sur deux atouts: 1) la société haitienne est tellement entredéchirée qu'une partie se réjouirait vivement de l'avilissement de l'autre, n'en voyant absolument aucun mal pour elle-même et la nation toute entière; 2) le gouvernment américain se définissant comme un Django d
es "spaghetti westerns" ("bring it on", "wanted dead or alive", "you are either with me or against me", etc.) ne lui en voudrait nullement, voyant peut-être même une vertu à ces "voye monte", terribles précédents diplomatiques.

Mais qui est ce Roger Noriega? Comble d'ironie, puisqu'il est lui aussi accusé d'être un terroriste international pour la part qu'il a joué dans la déstabilisation du Nicaragua, de Cuba, du Venezuela et de Haiti. Et même de s'être engagé dans le commerce de la drogue pour en faire bénéficier les CONTRAS chéris du président Ronald Reagan. Et encore d'avoir protégé des éléments criminels, disons clairement des terrorristes, puisque c'est à la terreur des populations qu'ils s'engageaient, au Nicaragua, à Cuba, en Haiti, et autres coins de l'Amérique Latine. Serait-ce par hasard que ce soit lui, un expert de la destabilisation des sociétés civiles, qui crie maintenant au terrorisme ou serait-ce la chose la plus naturelle au monde?

En tout cas, il a dit des choses
précises. Aristide aurait, de sa propre voix, ordonné des actes crapuleux en Haiti. Cela sous-entend qu'il détient un enregistrement quelconque. Que Roger Noriega le produise! Ou qu'il se taise (mais il est trop tard pour ça). Nous sommes assoiffés de justice pour Haiti. Si Aristide est le grand coupable, ou si un autre, quoi qu'il fût, voire même le Pape Benoit à Rome, que justice soit faite! Mais il faut avoir assez d'intégrité et de courage pour réaliser que la liste des suspects est longue, très longue... qu'elle contient les noms de nos faux amis et qu'on y retrouve également les noms des accusateurs qui ont intérêt à brouiller les choses pour masquer leur propre culpabilité.

Alors, faisons attention à ne pas faire partie d'un jeu de marionettes et à chaque fois qu'on essaie de nous tirer les ficelles, demandons-les de ne pas nous traiter comme des imbéciles et de produire pour nous leurs qualifications et leur évidences. Nous n'aurons jamais peur de la vérité.

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Post by admin » Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:40 am

[quote]Good investigative journalism Jaf!

Very informative.

Thanks [/quote]
Wow! You are a fast learner.

[quote][quote]En tout cas, il a dit des choses précises. Aristide aurait, de sa propre voix, ordonné des actes crapuleux en Haiti. Cela sous-entend qu'il détient un enregistrement quelconque. Que Roger Noriega le produise! [/quote]
Are you asking Noriega to prove it--- to show the evidence?

He doesn't have to—except if you are ready to subpoena! Aren't you? [/quote]
Am I ready to subpoena? Michel, don't make a fool of yourself ! ! Since when does anyone have to be in a capacity to subpoena to ask people in official positions to share the evidence of what they are talking about??????

"He does not have to"... With this sort of thinking or lack of it, it is no wonder the government of the United States has been able to get
away with so many lies in its war on the Iraqis. "They don't have to show the evidence... we are perfectly happy to swallow any filth they shove down our throats."

You talk about sticking to the issue, then Michel, that's exactly what you should do, instead of coming up with some diversionary tactic. My ability or inability to subpoena anyone has nothing to do with what we are talking about here, which is the accountability of government officials when they make accusations of the sort that Roger Noriega did. Obviously, you do not give a damn. I do.

[quote]Ah oui! Guy parfois la vérité fait peur surtout si c'est un cher ami qui est sur le banc des accuses.

Just chill, calm down a little bit my friend, and pray!

Limin ou chandel pou gran met la![/quote]
Say again... Michel, I don't know what you are trying to insinuate here, but I would be very careful if I were you. And that chilling, praying, "limen chande
l" bit... keep it to yourself and your own friends. I did not ask for any sort of personal advice from you.

[quote]The golden rule is "No personal attack, please!!"
Stick to the issue!! [/quote]
That is funny, Michel! Which issue are we talking about??? Perhaps, I may need to define it for you again, but this might well be a waste of time.

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Post by admin » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:52 am

Michel, you are highlighting exactly what I highlighted before, so what gives??????????????

Are you trying to be a jako repèt?

If President Aristide is proven guilty of criminal activity, then he OF COURSE should pay the price. What is there in that truth that you think I would not be able to handle somehow? I have been doing commentary on Haiti for the past ten years, and it's all out there in plain sight. So, please stop your crazy insinuations. You are just trying to be spread suspicions, while I am just promoting principles of official conduct that are as valid for American politicians as they are for any other nation on Earth. The main difference that I see in our way of thinking is that you buy into Bushism, that is that "Might Makes Right." You seem always ready to side with whatever bullshit comes from Washington, even if it affects your country of origin adversely. Sorry, I do not buy into that.

And yes, I can
handle the truth, regardless of Aristide's innocence or culpability. I am not into murders, I am not into kidnappings, I am not into drug dealing, I am not into lying and stealing. All that I said was that Roger Noriega, whom you have called a really nice man on this forum, and whom a great many people know as a mastermind of state terrorism in Nicaragua, Haiti, Cuba, and Venezuela has no business shooting his mouth like that unless he is ready to produce the damaging evidence in a forthright manner. And I stand by my words. That is perhaps the truth that you cannot handle.

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Post by admin » Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:06 pm

[quote]If it reveals to be false, then Mr. Noriega would probably need to start looking for another job.[/quote]
Let's hope so. And, of course, if "it reveals to be false", we can then expect that you, Michel, will join us in calling for Noriega's firing. ... ... ... Right?

But Roger Noriega is nothing if not a survivor. The passion that he brings to his work against Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, and Jean-Bertrand Aristide is well-appreciated in Washington, DC. To be a realist, Haitian nationalism is so very weak right now that I doubt that it could bring down anyone of importance in the Bush administration. If a world that has been outraged by the prisoner torture scandals at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo, including influential senators and ex-presidents, has not been able to extract any high profile resignation from the Bush government, what do you t
hink of our chances to bring down the powerful Noriega, as divided as we are? (Both you and I know that HDP would stand ready to defend their good friend, in any case.)

A wee bit of information from Wikipedia:

[quote]In 2002, Noriega publicly clashed with Secretary of States Colin Powell when he applauded the short-lived coup d'état in Venezuela, forcing Powell to distance himself from Noriega's comments after Hugo Chávez was returned to power.[/quote]
Colin Powell was Noriega's boss, right? Where is Colin Powell today and where is Noriega?

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Post by admin » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:08 pm

OK, Michel, Your last response is surprising overall, but I will leave it at that. Let's observe the development of that story (if there is one).

But I do have to highlight something you said that is a complete falsehood.
[quote]Look what happening to Bolton's nomination to the U.N.! He is an embarrassment to the Bush Administration because of his passion for his job.[/quote]
Bolton may be an embarrassment, only because he represents the first real failure of this government to push neoconservatives and right wing zealots in every nook and cranny. The target of Bolton's unbridled passion was the demise of the United Nations, and he had never tried to hide it. It's precisely because of his passionate neo-conservatism that he was nominated for the job. Bush and Cheney have wanted to neutralize or castrate the United Nations, because they di
slike internationalism, and Bolton was their man! So, just because things did not play out as they planned, does not make Bolton an embarrassment to his bosses. If that were the case, why would they have nominated him for that position in the first place? Michel, as we say in Haitian Creole, kaka je pa linèt!

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Post by admin » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:35 pm

And let's not forget Bolton's role in approving arms shipments to the rebels in Haiti, in contravention of the arms embargo. One more example where, in this administration, people seem to be promoted for their wrongdoings. You say that Roger Noriega is out, I wonder whether they will not put him in charge of "fixing intelligence" for the Bush team instead.

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Roger Noriega resigns...

Post by admin » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:03 pm

As Michel Nau predicted!!

[quote]Top US diplomat for Americas resigns Fri Jul 29, 4:07 PM ET


The top US diplomat for the Americas, Roger Noriega, resigned his post, Sean McCormack, a State Department spokesman, said.

Noriega, the assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, has held the position for two years.

"Noriega confirmed this morning that he'll be leaving the State Department and going to the private sector in September," McCormack said.

The spokesman denied Noriega's move was related to the naming Thursday of Caleb McCarry, a Republican congressional staffer, as the US "Cuba transition coordinator," tasked with helping speed the downfall of Cuban President Fidel Castro.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced the appointment of McCarry to the position created o
n the recommendation last year of a panel established by President George W. Bush.

"Assistant secretary Noriega had a distinguished career in government for more than 20 years and has served in the current administration for four years, first as ambassador to the Organization of American States and now as assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere Affairs," McCormack said.

"The secretary very much appreciates his distinguished service not only over the course of those 20 years but during her time here as secretary of state," the spokesman said.

Noriega's services was controversial, not only for his repeated attacks on Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Although Noriega helped Argentina obtain an aid package during its 2003 economic crisis, President Nestor Kirchner was bothered by Noriega's criticism of Argentina's decision to improve ties with Havana.

Others questioned Noriega's role in the resignation of Haitian president Jean Bertrand Aristide in February 2004
. Aristide insists that France and the United States pressured him to quit, while Noriega said that Aristide signed his own resignation to avoid being assassinated by armed rebels who had taken over part of the country.


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Post by admin » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:18 am

Michel, Ann Pale Forum is not an activist organization. It is not an organization, period. Just because people come and discuss politics in a barber shop does not make that barber shop a political party.

As far as Noriega's resignation being a victory for the Haitian people, curb your enthusiasm. It will depend on how they recycle him. [Let's wait and see.] It will depend also on whom the Bush/Condi wrecking ball [kraze grenn] corporation chooses to replace him.

Is it possible that Roger Noriega was forced out because the Bush team did not consider him efficient enough in getting rid of Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez? Does Roger Noriega's resignation signify a softening of Bush's disposition towards Haiti, Cuba, Venezuela and the rest of Latin America or is it just the opposite? The stakes are high. Read what I wrote about it back on February 20, 2005: Anticipating January 1, 2009

In any case, Michel, I confess that you have impressed me with your ability to predict what is happening in Washington, DC. One usually has to be well-connected to make such predictions. This is what you had to say on June 25:

[quote]Condoleezza Rice is not Collin Powell. She wouldn't tolerate any cockiness from anyone who could embarrass her Department. Noriega is digging his own grave. Ms. Rice after touring Central and Latin America last month, some head[s] of state of these countries complained about Noriega's behavior, especially toward Venezuela and Cuba. [...] he is on his way out. It's a matter of time.

In Washington, the lawmakers usually follow the “Three strikes and you are out" rule! Noriega already made 2. First, the mishandling of Aristide's departure, and second his formal allegation of Aristide exciting violence.

There may be a third strike that we aren't aware of; but he's definitely
on his way out. [/quote]

So, congratulations are in order only for you, Michel. You got that one right! As for me, I don't see anything worth celebrating: I have yet to see any real sign of policy shift in Washington, DC whatsoever.

Let's keep our eyes open, though.

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Post by admin » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:29 am

[quote]Should he start with Chavez first, and Cuba next or vise versa, or both together? [/quote]
Michel, let us know which advice you will give Bush on that one, so we can place our bets more intelligently.

I would have suggested for Ann Pale some more manageable goals, such as converting George Bush to Islam and Laura Bush to Vodou.

For W, it would not be such a big step, from fundamentalist Christianity to fundamentalist Islam, he is already half-way there.

Once we do that, we'll be more prepared to tackle Castro and Chavez, and keep a chunk of that $59 million for disaster relief in the Caribbean.

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Post by admin » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:51 am

If ever the Bush administration needed a shameless propagandist for its global terrorism...

Michel, you should at least know that in 2005, the Soviet Union is no more.

Serge suggested that this conversation was becoming too painful... I agree, but let's put aside the personal factors and expose the ugliness of Haitians siding with Bush against their Caribbean brethren.

When it comes to humanitarian relief after the devastation of hurricanes, tsunamis, and other natural disasters, this U.S. administration always seems reluctant to offer more than a few crumbs (in Haiti's case, they initially offer much less than a million dollars). But in their politically-motivated obsession to get rid of Fidel Castro (rationalizing the illegal detention of the Cuban Five, and the protection they give to known Cuban terrorists who shot dead hundreds of innocent people clear out of
the sky), this administration easily comes up with miliions and millions of our tax dollars.

I am not writing this to argue with you, Michel, as in this matter, we really have no common ground. Nothing at all to lead to a hopeful meeting of the minds or even a rapprochement.

While you continue to applaud the criminal dispositions and terrorist policies of the Bush administration, I publicly stand up to thank Fidel Castro for his humanitarian assistance to the people of Haiti over the past several years.

Je suis haitien de coeur, mais je suis un américain de citoyenneté et de conscience qui refuse de lécher le cul d'un autre américain, si puissant qu'il fût, en ce qui concerne les causes humanitaires.


[quote]My feeling is to use the terrorist argument! It works every time!! [/quote]
Michel, what you have written above is pure depravation. Acts of global state terrorism are fueled by such political cynicism. You appear to be in such awe of power. Pe
rhaps you don't realize that in the end, no one is immune to the dehumanizing effects of such irresponsible policies. No one.

Enjoy the show, while you can!

I do not side with terrorism of any sort.

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Post by Hyppolite » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:26 am

Is Michel simply playing the role of a provocateur, or does he really mean what he's saying? I can "see" Marilyn crunching.

Michel, man, which coffee do you drink in the morning, or is it tea?

I bet you love to eat your French croissant, buttered with I can't believe it's not butter. Wait, wait, do you also like your Osso Bucco in the fines Inns, in suburban America?

Mesye oh!! apa Ayisyen ap fin fou nèt.

Guy, is he trying to provoke you, or is he really serious?

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Post by admin » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:30 pm

Michel, Cuba is more than Castro, just as Haiti is more than Aristide, Iraq is more than Saddam Hussein, and the U.S. is more than Dubya, thank God! By the way, if you think that what George Bush is spreading in the world is democracy, I have a bridge to sell you...

Michel, I don't need you to relay my messages to "the control room in Washington, DC", however cozy your relationship with them may be. I have seen you misquote people before, badly. If you want, just give them the address to Ann Pale or Windows on Haiti. I can speak for myself and it's all on the record. I have no need for an interpret.

The last thought I want to leave you is this: George W. Bush is not the Savior of this world, no matter what he thinks. And it's too bad you are spreading his propaganda on this forum, but I am not sure that anyone is biting.

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