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Looking for a few good men

Post by admin » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:11 pm

Right off the bat, I would have put the following story in the "All other topics" category rather than this one, which is reserved more to weighty matters of science, health, and technology. However, there is something about this particular story that strikes me as challenging the standards of contemporary behavioral science. Maybe, it's just me... I don't know, but I sure would like to see how my forum friends, male and female, react to this particular story which represents maybe a new standard in interplanetary travel (Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, remember?)

[quote]BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4447916.stm

Hollywood Madam caters for ladies

Former "Hollywood Madam" Heidi Fleiss says she plans to set up a brothel for women in the US state of Nevada.

Ms Fleiss says the "Heidi Stud Farm" will offer male prostitutes to female clients for $250 (£145) an hour.

She plans to open her business outside the town of Pahrump in Nevada, the only US state where some counties allow brothels to operate legally.

Ms Fleiss became notorious in 1995 when arrested for running a Hollywood call-girl ring for the rich and famous.

She served 21 months in prison, and made many in Hollywood nervous that her so-called "black book" of clients would be made public.

Ms Fleiss, 39, says she is sure her new service for women will be a hit.

"Women make more money these days, they're calling the shots, they're more powerful. And let's face it, it's hard to meet someone," she said.

"And then you've got the situation with the old husband leaving his wife for the younger girl, and the lady sitting at home crying.

"Well, now she has a place to go and say, 'Right back at you, buddy, and on your credit card'."

She is now seeking applications from would-be gigolos and hopes to have an initial "stable" of 20.

"The Hollywood Madam is looking for a few good men out there," she told Reuters news agency by telephone. "It's going to be an oasis in the desert."

She says she has gone into partnership with a licensed brothel owner in Nevada.

They plan to remodel one of his three establishments, the Cherry Patch, with features such as waterfalls, palm trees and skylights.

However, there is one problem. Nevada state law allows counties to deny brothel licences to convicted felons.

"There's still a little bit of legalities that we're working through," Ms Fleiss acknowledged. "But it's going to be okay".

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Post by T-dodo » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:46 pm

Guy,

I also read that story this morning. But, it did not illicit the same interest it did in you. In asking me to go deeper than the reaction I had after I read this morning, I will relate a personal story for you to mull over.

As a child, I was appalled at the unfairness towards husbands in marriages in my hometown, and perhaps Haiti. Most of them had one or more mistresses. In most cases, the relationships were so open that even the children were aware. I know one case when the children (perhaps 9 to 12 years old) had to go to the mistress' house at 8:00 a.m. in order to wish their dad a happy birthday and bring him a gift.

At some point in my life, I attended after work the engineering school called "Kay Leconte " in Port-au-Prince. One day, during break, I was having a discussion with three female class mates regarding that subject. I told them that to restore fairness in this situation, women who are victimized by th
eir husbands' adultery should go and have their own affairs. By the way, I am reading a book about Napoleon, and it was widespread practice in the France of 1800. Napoleon himself was victim of it from Josephine.

Anyway, the three ladies almost ate me alive. What I suggested to the women was sacrilege to them, and not beacuse of religion. They accepted the practice so much and seemed so endoctrinated with it that it is like it was a man's right. Others thought it was part of their nature. Somehow, the issue of fairness did not apply in this situation. I could not explain at the time why they were so afraid of breaking with tradition, even though on the surface this tradition was unfair, unproductive, immoral, not from the religious point of view but rather because it causes pain and suffering to the whole family. Their resistance to that kind of change was mind boggling to me. I never forget that reaction.

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Post by admin » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:07 pm

Jean-Marie, I think that infidelity, male or female, is a quite different topic. But to suggest infidelity as a measure of equality/fairness (truly, revenge) as you present it is probably not the best advice. That leads not only to more broken marriages but also to crimes of passion. I am not advocating that women suffer their husbands' indiscretions, but I fail to see that having affairs of their own would truly ease their unhappiness. More likely, following your advice might complicate their lives unnecessarily and in the end, make them even more miserable. Divorce in many cases would be a better alternative.

More so, having sex with ulterior motives (because your partner is cheating on you) could lead to some unhealthy behaviors due to irrational transfers of emotions. In those cases, I would advise one to watch out for the scissors!

Anyway, the story reported here is a different subject matter. Infidelity may be involved
, but not likely. I think that it has more to do with loneliness or debauchery. You may argue that these negative characteristics should not be exclusive to men (and they never were, in reality). This has more to do with a new institution of permissiveness that was not heretofore present in our society: male prostitution houses succeeding the regular brothel variety. In a much milder form, it would be comparable to the birthing of PLAYGIRL, the magazine for female voyeurs, succeeding PLAYBOY, PENTHOUSE, and all the other girlie magazines.

This is not exactly a revolution. Some foreign women go to Haiti, for instance, in order to get their seasonal tropical fix and then return home "fulfilled" until the next time. So, in actual practice, women have always equalled if not surpassed men in sexual adventures. That is certainly not true of all women, but those who do indulge do their best to make up for the virtuous ones. Yet, the story that I
reported made news, precisely because the context is no longer in the private domain. Having a house of prostitution geared to a female clientele, that is something I have never heard before.

Is this a welcome milestone for the feminist movement?

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Post by T-dodo » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:20 pm

[quote] This has more to do with a new institution of permissiveness that was not heretofore present in our society: male prostitution houses succeeding the regular brothel variety.
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Guy,

I am not that sure that is new, even though you may not have been that aware of them. I thought Escort services for women were available in most major US cities. That is because most US cities outlawed prostitution, male or female. But, they allow a loophole for escort service. The difference is that the client does not go to a place where all the prostitutes wait for them. Instead, the prostitutes go to them.

Also, legal adult entertainment for lonely women is not that new either. As long as I can remember, Miami had at least one nude men bar where lonely women go. There is one on Biscayne Boulevard called La Bare where women go for bachelor parties or just to see and interact
with barely naked young men . Before that, I believe there was one called Stallion on the same boulevard. My guess is the reason I don't know the existence of a male brothel here is because I don't know the existence of any brothel at all in Miami. But there are ads in some publications for adult women entertainment.

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