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by Ezili Danto
Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:55 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Interview with Patrick Elie on Dec. 22 UN Massacre
Replies: 0
Views: 2114

Interview with Patrick Elie on Dec. 22 UN Massacre

Listen to Interview with Patrick Elie on Dec. 22, UN Massacre on people of Site Soley http://www.radio4all.net/pub/files/aaron@resist.ca/1074-1-20061227-Elie_dec27.mp3 ************************************************* Listen to an interview with Patrick Elie, a long-time human rights activist based ...
by Ezili Danto
Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:22 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Swiss Initiative for Slavery-Reparations
Replies: 0
Views: 1844

Swiss Initiative for Slavery-Reparations

'Motion' (Private member's parliamentary move) submitted in the lower house of the Swiss Parliament on 19th December 2006 by Josef Lang, MP for Zug, and 30 co-sponsors: "Swiss Initiatives for Slavery-Reparations" The Swiss Government is hereby mandated 1) to support within the UN moves for the plan ...
by Ezili Danto
Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:38 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Haitian Activists on new US legislation to "help Haitians"
Replies: 9
Views: 4886

Rele-l Papa Nwèl, ou, rele-l blan mannan, yo toujou pran

Which part of this, from the above HLLN press release did you neglect to read, Michelnau?. This paragraph perhaps: "...The HOPE legislation requires the U.S. president to certify to Congress that Haiti has established or is making progress in establishing a ‘free trade', market-based economy that ru...
by Ezili Danto
Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:49 am
Forum: 2006
Topic: 2007 New Year's message frm President Jean Bertrand Aristide
Replies: 2
Views: 2767

2007 New Year's message frm President Jean Bertrand Aristide

Recommended HLLN Links: New Years message from President Jean Bertrand Aristide audio link: http://www.margueritelaurent.com/pressclips/jba2007.mp3 Dessalines is Rising- 1806-2006 (The FreeHaitiMovement) ******************************************* Président Jean-Bertrand Aristide Pretoria, South Afr...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:32 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Preval /Alexis En Voyage, Le Kidnapping Fait Rage
Replies: 35
Views: 16238

"The campaign against kidnappers...

Some AHP News - (English Translation in the form of extended headlines for December 20 - 15, 2006 - Unofficial). For complete articles in the official French version, please see www.ahphaiti.org. * *Haitian police seized three people, including two police officers as they attempted to kidnap three p...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:13 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Haitian Activists on new US legislation to "help Haitians"
Replies: 9
Views: 4886

Haiti gives aid to the US, not the other way around

Michelnau, This is an old article on the topic, written before the Senate passage but the last sentence is worthy of underlining. If as this article states: "..For every dollar sent to Haiti, one dollar and thirty-four cents comes back. " Then, who is giving aid to whom? With respect, I say, wake up...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:23 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Another (unheard) call for help from Haiti
Replies: 0
Views: 2101

Another (unheard) call for help from Haiti

400 UN soldiers open fire and attack the starving Site Soley community, at least 10 dead, countless civilians wounded, hundreds of residents demand end of the violence and withdrawal of the 8,000-strong UN troops in Haiti "...They came here to terrorise the population," said Rose Martel, a slum dwel...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:53 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Haitian Activists on new US legislation to "help Haitians"
Replies: 9
Views: 4886

Haitian Activists on new US legislation to "help Haitians"

***************** HLLN Press Release December 16, 2006 For Further Information Contact: Eugenia Charles at eugenia@fondasyonmapou.org or Marguerite Laurent, Esq. at erzilidanto@yahoo.com Haitian activists point out the lack of worker protection in the recently passed US trade legislation that adds a...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:57 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Preval /Alexis En Voyage, Le Kidnapping Fait Rage
Replies: 35
Views: 16238

Coup D'etat folks have no plan, just revel in destabalizing

Onè e respè Guy, e La Sosyete: If folks like Stanley Lucas had a plan, beyond destabilizing and advocating genocide (Lucas is inspired by Rwanda), or beyond Washington's neoliberalism debt, dependency and domination policies, Haitians would have lived differently these last three years. Coup d'etat ...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:45 am
Forum: About Films
Topic: FESTIVAL FILM JAKMEL
Replies: 1
Views: 2474

Third Annual Jacmel Film Festival by Kim Yves

Sexual Tourism in Haiti on Film http://www.margueritelaurent.com/pressclips/festival.html#abuse ******************** - Ezili Danto's Comment on Ghost of Site Soley: In the Wyclef-produced film, Ghost of Site Soley, Site Soley's well-endowed young, Black "mandingo bandits," are used and exploited by ...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:27 am
Forum: 2006
Topic: UN troops in Haiti face child abuse claims
Replies: 6
Views: 3453

Re: The foreigners abhorrent violation

[quote]HLLN Recommended Links: ******************** Links relating to white (the foreigners') abhorrent violation of the fundamental duty of care - sexual abuse of the Black poor and powerless in Haiti: ******************** UN Jordanian Soldier rapes and brutally sodomize Haitian mother of five in H...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:26 am
Forum: 2006
Topic: UN troops in Haiti face child abuse claims
Replies: 6
Views: 3453

The foreigners abhorrent violation

HLLN Recommemded Links: ******************** Links relating to white (the foreigners') abhorrent violation of the fundamental duty of care - sexual abuse of the Black poor and powerless in Haiti: ******************** UN Jordanian Soldier rapes and brutally sodomize Haitian mother of five in Haiti ht...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:55 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: The UN Fails Haiti, Again
Replies: 15
Views: 6343

Solèy di: Minista ban m peyi m (French/Kreyol) Haiti Progres

Solèy di : Minista ban m peyi m by Berthony Dupont Haiti Progres, Nov. 21, 2006 Vandredi 17 novanm lan, se pa t yon nouvèl mwen t ap tande, ni yon jounal mwen t ap li, mwen te anndan Site Solèy nonsèlman pou m te vizite katye popilè sa a men pou m te tou patisipe nan yon manifestasyon ki ta pral fèt...
by Ezili Danto
Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:27 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Under Bush's Latortue Regime, Haiti ranked top most corrupt
Replies: 21
Views: 10829

My answer stands Michelnau and is herein again reiterated

Respect Empress Verite. ED
by Ezili Danto
Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:52 am
Forum: 2006
Topic: Under Bush's Latortue Regime, Haiti ranked top most corrupt
Replies: 21
Views: 10829

Not in this lifetime, nor the next

Empress Verite, wrote:[quote]Honestly, out of you folks who have responded to this, Ezili, Bouli, Zanfenginen, and Jafrikayiti. How many of you have not benefitted from the Haitian political bureaucracy in the form of jobs and other kickbacks? [/quote] Honestly, No, not in this lifetime, nor the nex...
by Ezili Danto
Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:45 am
Forum: 2006
Topic: Under Bush's Latortue Regime, Haiti ranked top most corrupt
Replies: 21
Views: 10829

TI spokesperson accuses Alexis government

Just as suspected. Check how this TI spokesperson tries to rope the Preval into their corruption ratings. According to a Nov. 7th AHP article that crossed my desk today: "In a statement issued Monday in Port-au-Prince, the representative of TI in Haiti, Marilyn Allien, accused the Alexis government ...
by Ezili Danto
Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:59 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Under Bush's Latortue Regime, Haiti ranked top most corrupt
Replies: 21
Views: 10829

Under Bush's Latortue Regime, Haiti ranked top most corrupt

Haiti and Iraq top most corrupt countries' list 11/06/2006 The report noted a strong link between poverty and graft. Three wealthy countries - Finland, Iceland and New Zealand - tied for the best score. Haiti ranked at the bottom of 163 countries in an annual corruption survey, scoring slightly wor...
by Ezili Danto
Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:48 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Neocolonists inciting political instability is the problem
Replies: 3
Views: 3984

And the beat goes on, on and on and on

Maximum respect Jaf, fre mwen Thank you for the support. Congrats on next week's conference. Went to the link ( http://apscuhuru.org/ ) you referred to and saw that many brothers and sisters, from all over the world, with their umbilical chord tied to source will be there. Jaf, I'm so proud to see y...
by Ezili Danto
Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:27 am
Forum: HT/RD issues
Topic: HAITI UNE MENACE POUR LA RD SELON CONSULTANTE MINUSTHA
Replies: 9
Views: 4771

Ottawa Initiative, Johanna Mendelson, Stanley Lucas,

Onè Jaf, Jaf writes [quote] I do not think Alexis and Préval needed to limit their reaction to an emotional one. They could have declared that woman persona non-grata if they fail to obtain her departure through persuasion of her superiors. [/quote] Prime Minister Jacques-Edouard Alexis has declared...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:43 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Haitian Immigrant Resource Manual
Replies: 4
Views: 3765

Good work

Congratulations Guy on the completion of this resource manual. It's really good to arm Haitian immigrants with information so that they may themselves know the in and outs and not be at the complete mercy - due to language barriers, access and economic constraints, -of folks who just take their mone...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:11 am
Forum: 2006
Topic: Nouvelle offensive des bandits
Replies: 1
Views: 2008

A Chacun Ses "Bandits"

*********************** Judge orders top Haitian police officer arrested By Joseph Guyler Delva, Nov. 3, 2006, Reuters PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti, Nov 3 (Reuters) - A judge on Friday said he has ordered a top Haitian police chief arrested on suspicion of conspiring with kidnappers after the chief ignored...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:15 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Neocolonists inciting political instability is the problem
Replies: 3
Views: 3984

The subject of HLLN's "rants" and Sensitive Wim's tolerance

Sensitive Wim, Your comments are simply riveting in contrast to my boring rants. But if you ever do open that closed mind of yours to the light of day, here are a few things you may want to note: 1) Ezili Dantò and HLLN's defiant work falls outside of your comfort zone. It will always be “ranting” t...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:56 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: On China and Haiti/Ayiti
Replies: 10
Views: 6489

Examining one aspect China's role in Rwanda

Your points are well taken Empress Verite

The Rwanda genocide was achieved in large part through the use of machetes made in China. Does anyone in China feel any regret or was the money made too soothing for remorse to erase?

Ezili Dantò
by Ezili Danto
Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:36 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: On China and Haiti/Ayiti
Replies: 10
Views: 6489

Haiti supports Taiwan at UN, China strenuously objects

Rift with China puts U.N. aid to Haiti at risk By Jacqueline Charles Miami Herald October 27, 2006 http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/15859602.htm PORT-AU-PRINCE - Foreign diplomats say they are feverishly working behind the scenes to mend a Haitian flap with China that could jeopardize the U...
by Ezili Danto
Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:22 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: On China and Haiti/Ayiti
Replies: 10
Views: 6489

Useful article

Onè Empress Verite, Thank you for this article. It's illuminates an aspect that I frankly had no idea about even though our Washington folks have been pushing against some of the current bills in Congress that are not about Haitian ownership and wealth building, but further platforms to exploitation...
by Ezili Danto
Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:05 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Neocolonists inciting political instability is the problem
Replies: 3
Views: 3984

Neocolonists inciting political instability is the problem

The legacy of impunity in Haiti by Marguerite Laurent, HLLN, Haitian Perspectives, Oct. 30, 2006 Political security is Haiti biggest problem. It is this political instability that is primarily responsible for the legacy of impunity, endemic poverty and violence in Haiti. This political instability i...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:13 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Immigration updates
Replies: 0
Views: 2385

Immigration updates

Meeks in The News - Immmigration Conference Call Meeks Hosts Immigration Conference Call Congressman Gregory W. Meeks is set to host a Sixth Congressional District Conference Call on Immigration to update his constituents on changes in immigration law. The conference call, the first in a series that...
by Ezili Danto
Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:26 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Haiti: Latortue's legacy
Replies: 3
Views: 3110

Contact info

by Ezili Danto
Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:40 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: What Future for Haiti? An Interview with Patrick Elie
Replies: 0
Views: 2028

What Future for Haiti? An Interview with Patrick Elie

"All I expect from his (Preval) presidency is to have the space to organize rather than facing a truly hostile government. But he will be under a lot of constraints..." - Patrick Elie ******************** http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/467/1/ What Future for Haiti? An Interview with Pa...
by Ezili Danto
Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:48 am
Forum: African Heritage
Topic: It's Not Race or Class -- It's Race and Class
Replies: 0
Views: 2446

Significant pieces of information

Jaf, Indeed the manufactured black/white race designation is inextricably intwined with class and inseparable from it. This race ideology fuels and maintains historical capitalism. [quote]"Because the African slave trade and the displacement of the Native Americans was foundational in the establishm...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:56 pm
Forum: Our Story
Topic: Rename the Island: Quisqueya, not Hispaniola
Replies: 3
Views: 4614

The Island of Haiti

Hello Guy, Thanks for this posting. Just saw it. I find that Haitian textbooks still use Island of Haiti and those educated in Haiti say "Island of Haiti." But, of course, the mass media and the electronic media are using "little Spain" for the Island. This renouncing of parts of Haiti's revolutiona...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:43 pm
Forum: Our Story
Topic: From Slave to Emperor, His Majesty, Jean Jacques Dessalines
Replies: 0
Views: 2854

From Slave to Emperor, His Majesty, Jean Jacques Dessalines

[quote] WORDS OF DESSALINES: "...Je suis soldat, la guerre fut toujours mon partage, et tant que l'acharnement, la barbarie et l'avarice de nos ennemis les porteront sur nos rivages, je justifierai votre choix, et combattant à votre tête, je prouverai que le titre de vote général sera toujours honor...
by Ezili Danto
Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:21 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Weekend Special En Hommage A Jean Jacques Dessalines
Replies: 5
Views: 4015

October 22, 2006 Program on Dessalines in Rhode Island

Copy of circulated HLLN Announcement: Providence, Rhode Island October 22, 2006 – Commemorate Dessalines National Organization of Haitian Living Abroad has organized a conference to commemorate Jean Jacques Dessalines. Participants will walk to the nearby Bicentennial Place where the monument of Tou...
by Ezili Danto
Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:12 pm
Forum: Our Story
Topic: The legacy of impunity of one sector-Who killed Dessalines?
Replies: 3
Views: 4400

Papa's Maroon Lineage

Empress Verite Onè my sister, You really do have a most interesting way - a particular voice. I enjoyed reading your post because it reflects a very learned perspective, but with a particular edge. Obviously you've made the effort to know more about Haitian history and particulars than the average H...
by Ezili Danto
Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:11 am
Forum: Haiti Diaspora Concerns
Topic: Mantalite Lakay
Replies: 1
Views: 2411

Ayisyen, sispann pran lòd nan men zòt, travay E.W. Vedrine

********************************************* Source: Poèmes - Emmanuel W. VEDRINE http://www.palli.ch/%7Ekapeskreyol/bibliographie/vedrine/poesies.php#ayisyen Posted as part of HLLN's FreeHaitiMovement - Dessalines Is Rising, Oct. 17, 2006 Events | http://www.margueritelaurent.com/law/events.html A...
by Ezili Danto
Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:20 am
Forum: Haiti Diaspora Concerns
Topic: Mantalite Lakay
Replies: 1
Views: 2411

Mantalite Lakay

Source: Carl's Fombrun www.fombrun.com AAA...WEDNESDAY 18 Oct 2006.doc MANTALITE LAKAY travay Emmanuel W. VEDRINE Mantalite achte konsyans ak kèk grenn dola Mantalite anpwazonnen lòt pou nèryen Mantalite bay lòt kout poud pou ti krik ti krak Mantalite blan ap vin chanje Ayiti Mantalite blan yo pral ...
by Ezili Danto
Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:52 pm
Forum: Our Story
Topic: The legacy of impunity of one sector-Who killed Dessalines?
Replies: 3
Views: 4400

The legacy of impunity of one sector-Who killed Dessalines?

****************************************** - Who Killed Dessalines and why - October 17, 2006, A Day of Completion. Let the truth be heard - Three historical documents that implicate Alexandre Petion and Gerin's role in Dessalines assassination, Translated by Frantz Jerome for the Ezili Danto Witnes...
by Ezili Danto
Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:44 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Caricom and Haiti: The raising of Caribbean's Iron Curtain
Replies: 6
Views: 4847

CARICOM technical delegation visits Haiti &

You're welcome, Jaf. I was read your last post under the events honoring Dessalines subject heading. Indeed it's heartening to see how well Haitians know what's going on in Haiti. ( "Weekend Special En Hommage A Jean Jacques Dessalines" ) I am posting an update below on the Caricom delegation to Hai...
by Ezili Danto
Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:30 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Caricom and Haiti: The raising of Caribbean's Iron Curtain
Replies: 6
Views: 4847

Triumphant, Free and Sovereign - Se Granmoun nou ye

Onè e respè la sosyete: Djab la di l'ap manje nou, se pa vre. Sa se jwèt timoun, sa se blag. Thank you Hazel Ross Robinson, Caricom, African Union, Venezuela, Cuba and the Congressional Black Congress for standing against tyranny and oppression disguised as benevolence and for standing with the Hait...
by Ezili Danto
Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:20 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Caricom and Haiti: The raising of Caribbean's Iron Curtain
Replies: 6
Views: 4847

Caricom and Haiti: The raising of Caribbean's Iron Curtain

Caricom and Haiti: The raising of the Caribbean's 'Iron Curtain' Myrtha Desulme's contributions to Haiti all the way from Jamaica International propaganda notwithstanding, those in-the-know know that the Haitian people are a great nation - resilient, hard-working, honest and resourceful - who have b...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:38 pm
Forum: Haiti Diaspora Concerns
Topic: Dessalines Alive in Egypt
Replies: 6
Views: 4697

To honor Dessalines, it's past time for a Dessalines Gourdes

Jaf, Ki jan ou ye fre-mwen? Se premye fwa mwen tande ke mo "AYITI" a, "se yon melanj mo Afriken ki vle di TE SA A SE PA NOU POU NOU OKIPE L." How serendipitous can you get. That "AYITI" could possibly have a powerful meaning both in the language of the Taino/Arawaks and a remembered meaning from Afr...
by Ezili Danto
Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:15 am
Forum: African Heritage
Topic: What's in a name?
Replies: 2
Views: 3290

Blan Mannan by Feliks Moriso Lewa

Blan mannan – Lowly Pariah white Don't put words in my mouth i say there are good whites and there are bad whites the worst of the whites are the lowly pariah whites Don't make me say what I've never said i say there are good blacks and there are bad blacks the worst of the blacks are the rich blac...
by Ezili Danto
Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:40 pm
Forum: African Heritage
Topic: What's in a name?
Replies: 2
Views: 3290

Jean Jacques Dessalines' Law for Haiti

On this bicentennial month marking the assassination of Haiti's founding father and the first coup d'etat in Haiti, as HLLN continues to promote and encourage dialogue and writings to celebrate the life, triumphs and ideals of Jean Jacques Dessalines, today we ask, "what was Desalin's law?" For he s...
by Ezili Danto
Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:08 am
Forum: 2006
Topic: Israel's perilous overkill
Replies: 5
Views: 3816

America's Rottweiler By URI AVNERY

"....The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do." [quote] "Every Generation of Arabs Hates Israel More Than the Last" America's Rottweiler ...
by Ezili Danto
Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:40 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Uses of dictatorship & domination|Dandicat on torture & Bush
Replies: 9
Views: 5427

The Erosion of Democracy and Freedom in America

Thank you for the above article Empress Verite. This is truly sad and morally depraved. We are indeed living in dark, dark times. The ugliness gets uglier. There's a need for a measure of moderation, a focus on how far is far enough to go to protect life. Where are the spiritual leaders of America? ...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:15 pm
Forum: Our Story
Topic: Desalin / Defile
Replies: 2
Views: 3714

Desalin / Defile

[quote]To: erzilidanto@yahoo.com Subject: Desalin / Defile Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:54:26 -0400 Youn mesaj pou tout Ayisyen k' ap viv ak konsyans yo nan limyè Lè nou sonje Desalin, nou paka pa wè Defile. Se Defile ki te ranmase diyite Ayisyen nan pousyè ak san kote l tap drive nan Pon-Wouj. Valè no...
by Ezili Danto
Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:51 pm
Forum: African Heritage
Topic: What's in a name?
Replies: 2
Views: 3290

What's in a name?

Triumphant and proud, free and sovereign. Not humbled by the enslavers lash nor beaten by the greatest armies of his time. He left this legacy to us. He said: “Recall everything I have sacrificed to fly to your defense - relatives, children, wealth, so that now the only riches I possess is your free...
by Ezili Danto
Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:18 am
Forum: Our Story
Topic: Rename the Island: Quisqueya, not Hispaniola
Replies: 3
Views: 4614

Kiskeya, Quisqueya, Bohio, (Boyo), Ayiti, Hayti, Haiti?

Onè e Respè, If, in fact the island was called the "Island of Haiti" up until 1930 while we were under occupation; if the DR and Ayiti didn't change it, by treaty, after 1843 when the DR got its independence from Haiti and the Island was acknowledged by them as still the "Island of Haiti" by treaty ...
by Ezili Danto
Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:31 am
Forum: 2006
Topic: Libel against forum members in Counterpunch?
Replies: 18
Views: 13462

No clue

[quote]Yes, put a sensitive man and a belligerent woman together and you will get a defensive dance. That's the risk of seeking guidance from Ezili Dantò...But we can handle it, can't we? [/quote] See Wim, I tried to ignore your first reference to Ezili Dantò... in the e-mail before this one. But yo...
by Ezili Danto
Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:03 pm
Forum: 2006
Topic: Uses of dictatorship & domination|Dandicat on torture & Bush
Replies: 9
Views: 5427

Uses of dictatorship & domination|Dandicat on torture & Bush

Justice denied. Impunity reigns. Vampires and their Black intermediaries, disguised as civilized, beautiful folks, feed on the blood and resources of the poor and Black. Equals the Haitian story. "La Banque du sang noir" is still a cash cow. More than $2 Billion was spent from 1994 to 1998 in Haiti ...